LongTimeLurker Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 (edited) It would obviously be better if the Alliance party were the dominant force in NI politics, but that doesn't change the fact that there are currently a lot of people in the rest of the UK suddenly making a lot of noise about what is wrong about the DUP when they haven't given two Rafael Scheidts over the highly negative impact that DUP policies have been having on some people's lives in NI over the last few decades, because they find it a useful weapon now that they are winding up with a Tory government courtesy of the DUP. These same people wouldn't bat an eyelid if the DUP were propping up a "progressive alliance" instead because it's really all about what's good for them. Edited June 13, 2017 by LongTimeLurker 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Has Kate Hoey crossed the floor and joined the DUP yet? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 24 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: It would obviously be better if the Alliance party were the dominant force in NI politics, but that doesn't change the fact that there are currently a lot of people in the rest of the UK suddenly making a lot of noise about what is wrong about the DUP when they haven't given two Rafael Scheidts over the highly negative impact that DUP policies have been having on some people's lives in NI over the last few decades, because they find it a useful weapon now that they are winding up with a Tory government courtesy of the DUP. These same people wouldn't bat an eyelid if the DUP were propping up a "progressive alliance" instead because it's really all about what's good for them. Well, obviously people are going to be more interested in how a political party will affect them and their government than how they affect other people. It's why I take a far keener interest in Scottish Parliamentary elections than Canadian provincial elections. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 34 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: It would obviously be better if the Alliance party were the dominant force in NI politics, but that doesn't change the fact that there are currently a lot of people in the rest of the UK suddenly making a lot of noise about what is wrong about the DUP when they haven't given two Rafael Scheidts over the highly negative impact that DUP policies have been having on some people's lives in NI over the last few decades, because they find it a useful weapon now that they are winding up with a Tory government courtesy of the DUP. These same people wouldn't bat an eyelid if the DUP were propping up a "progressive alliance" instead because it's really all about what's good for them. I'm not entirely convinced that a bunch of gay hating religious nutjobs would fit in with a "progressive alliance" tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 (edited) Gordon Brown tried to do a deal with them in 2010: http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/11/labour-tried-to-do-deals-with-the-dup-last-time-there-was-a-hung-parliament-6701733/ and a bit further back the SNP under Alex Salmond were happy to be portrayed as Cardinal Winning's friends when they thought it would win them votes even after the section 28 stuff. Edited June 13, 2017 by LongTimeLurker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 1 hour ago, LongTimeLurker said: Gordon Brown tried to do a deal with them in 2010: http://metro.co.uk/2017/06/11/labour-tried-to-do-deals-with-the-dup-last-time-there-was-a-hung-parliament-6701733/ and a bit further back the SNP under Alex Salmond were happy to be portrayed as Cardinal Winning's friends when they thought it would win them votes even after the section 28 stuff. ffs, LLL. Get that mask back on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 (edited) So you see Cardinal Winning as having been pro-LGBT rights? Did Alex Salmond ever tell Brian Soutar that he could keep his Stagecoach money after the section 28 debate outed him as being deeply opposed to equality for LGBT people? Edited June 13, 2017 by LongTimeLurker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: So you see Cardinal Winning as having been pro-LGBT rights? Did Alex Salmond ever tell Brian Soutar that he could keep his Stagecoach money after the section 28 debate outed him as being deeply opposed to equality for LGBT people? The Salmond/Winning gig is an old story, a political lifetime ago. One of them is dead and some might say the other is politically dead certainly for the foreseeable future. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 DUP visit Downing St and slip out the back door. What an outfit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Alex S led the referendum campaign as recently as 2014. What it shows is that politicians of all stripes will play their games to power and cut and mark the pack as Jake Burns and SLF put it. Even the Lib Dems had Simon Hughes as the straight choice for Bermondsey back when dinosaurs roamed the Earth. Anyone who thinks Corbyn and Sturgeon wouldn't be the ones doing a deal with the DUP at the moment if they were able to is in cloud cuckoo land. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Anyone who thinks Corbyn and Sturgeon wouldn't be the ones doing a deal with the DUP at the moment if they were able to is in cloud cuckoo land. Could turn that round, would the DUP deal with Corbyn or the SNP? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Politicians will do whatever is expedient. The Lib Dems, in their coalition with the Tories, proved that going into coalition with a party whose values directly oppose your own is more damaging than expedient. There is no way Corbyn would be let away with going into coalition with some right-wing christian fundamentalist nut-bars. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 10 minutes ago, Glenconner said: Could turn that round, would the DUP deal with Corbyn or the SNP? Doubt it on Corbyn because of the minute's silence over Loughgall, but setting Corbyn aside they have worked with both Labour and the SNP in the past when it has been in their interests to do so. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Sky news saying that the Government will be in a position to announce their deal with DUP as early as Thursday 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 19 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Doubt it on Corbyn because of the minute's silence over Loughgall, but setting Corbyn aside they have worked with both Labour and the SNP in the past when it has been in their interests to do so. Tbf, i never regarded the British Labour Party as a honest broker when it came to Northern Ireland. One of the very few British politicians i respected was John Major who really did go the extra mile to bring peace and has been quietly forgotten. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 3 minutes ago, John Lambies Doos said: Sky news saying that the Government will be in a position to announce their deal with DUP as early as Thursday A few quid for infrastructure and a parade up the Falls Rd. Easy Peasy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Glenconner said: Could turn that round, would the DUP deal with Corbyn or the SNP? I don't know if they would do a deal with Corbyn, but never say never. (Unless you're Ian Paisley, of course, and then you say it 4 times) But AFAIR, they've worked with Labour and the SNP before. ETA: As LTL has stated. Edited June 13, 2017 by Jacksgranda 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Btw, did the Wee Six ever get the dosh from the Peace Dividend all those years ago? A couple of road upgrades and a handful of hotels never seem to quite cut it. Arlene should ask for a few billion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 I've heard the DUP have even worked with the Provos. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted June 13, 2017 Share Posted June 13, 2017 Personally hope the deal goes through...But hold every vote on a Sunday, lets watch these fuckers squirm. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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