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Junior football, what is the future?


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27 minutes ago, Killiepiyo said:

the more sides that join, the more their land of milk and honey gets divided oot. 

 

9 minutes ago, Khufu2 said:

And for all the talk of the pyramid and getting rid of the glass ceiling, the LL clubs, for self-preservation reasons, are sticking to one up one down.  It'll be a gey few years before the top clubs are at the top rather than this hotchpotch of random clubs currently occupying the top places in the non-league pyramid.

Throwing toys out of the pram by using the same, ridiculous, "arguments"?

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2 minutes ago, Slaverysam said:

So that's it done and dusted, for the present at least. Next seasons EOSL will be a great place to be and I'm guessing there may very well be increased national media interest which will benefit all. So all the scare mongering can cease, you guys in the East that wanna stay get on with what's left the rest of you do whatever it is you do.
A HUGE onward and upwards, exciting times.......

Are you going now?

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1 minute ago, Marten said:

 

Throwing toys out of the pram by using the same, ridiculous, "arguments"?

Would you care to explain what was ridiculous in what I said?

Is it not true the LL is maintaining one up, one down?

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5 minutes ago, Khufu2 said:

Would you care to explain what was ridiculous in what I said?

Is it not true the LL is maintaining one up, one down?

Promotion/relegation has been discussed, but no decision has been taken on next season's system. It has also not yet been confirmed that there will only be 1up/1down, so we don't know that yet.

They have likely waited to see the developments around the EOS before coming with their decision.

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16 minutes ago, Marten said:

Promotion/relegation has been discussed, but no decision has been taken on next season's system. It has also not yet been confirmed that there will only be 1up/1down, so we don't know that yet.

They have likely waited to see the developments around the EOS before coming with their decision.

The league AGM was held last week. Nothing changed.

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2 minutes ago, Khufu2 said:

The league AGM was held last week. Nothing changed.

http://slfl.co.uk/lowland-league-agm-update/

At the bottom it says: "Everyone involved with the league is looking forward to exciting developments in the future and we will hopefully be able to bring you news soon". Nothing more yet.

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1 minute ago, Marten said:

http://slfl.co.uk/lowland-league-agm-update/

At the bottom it says: "Everyone involved with the league is looking forward to exciting developments in the future and we will hopefully be able to bring you news soon". Nothing more yet.

Do you think the exciting development will be "Hey guys, we're gonna relegate more of you."

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4 minutes ago, Khufu2 said:

The league AGM was held last week. Nothing changed.

The utter seethe from the anti-pyramid brigade is a joy to behold. People unable to accept that the world has changed and football is having to change with it, people still seemingly stuck in the 1950s and who despite all of the evidence still think that the "grade" has a future.

Utterly tragic.

Congratulations to the East teams in grabbing the bull by the horns and moving onwards and upwards and for setting out all of the reasons that moving makes sense. Also well done to most fans on here pointing out that teams are moving for various on and off the field reasons and that they don't all expect to be in the SPFL within the next couple of seasons.

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39 minutes ago, kenny131 said:

The complete silence from the SJFA is mind boggling do these guys actually get paid for the job they do or is volunteer work either way there handling of the situation should be instant sacking.

spot on sir 

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1 hour ago, Khufu2 said:

And for all the talk of the pyramid and getting rid of the glass ceiling, the LL clubs, for self-preservation reasons, are sticking to one up one down.  It'll be a gey few years before the top clubs are at the top rather than this hotchpotch of random clubs currently occupying the top places in the non-league pyramid.

The "top" clubs (let's say the Big Rose/Wee Rose) are gonna be playing in the EOS league. The top sixteen teams in that league are, at the least, on a par than the top sixteen teams in the East Region Juniors and standards are improving whilst the Juniors are going backwards. Even if they fail to get promoted to the Lowland League for 4, 5, 6.. a dozen years they will always be playing at a higher level than what they would be at if they stayed in the Juniors.  And even if it takes Lithgae a decade to gain promotion to the LL (or above) that's still a more likely scenario than the Juniors being rushed into the system at tier 5.

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36 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

The "top" clubs (let's say the Big Rose/Wee Rose) are gonna be playing in the EOS league. The top sixteen teams in that league are, at the least, on a par than the top sixteen teams in the East Region Juniors and standards are improving whilst the Juniors are going backwards. Even if they fail to get promoted to the Lowland League for 4, 5, 6.. a dozen years they will always be playing at a higher level than what they would be at if they stayed in the Juniors.  And even if it takes Lithgae a decade to gain promotion to the LL (or above) that's still a more likely scenario than the Juniors being rushed into the system at tier 5.

It depends on what you mean by "a higher level".

If you mean "higher up the pyramid" then there's no denying it . They are in the pyramid at tier 6 whereas the remaining juniors aren't in the pyramid.  But that means very little. The bottleneck means hardly anyone will move up to tier 5 where several of the east ex-juniors ought to be, given the quality of the generality of LL teams.

If you mean a higher level of football, I'm not so sure. It won't be an overall  higher level of football next season - it will be a lower level for existing Superleague teams  as you face ex-Premier Division, ex-South Division and EoS dross.   In 2019-20 the top 16 teams in the EoS will be a mix of current Superleague and Premier League teams with maybe the odd traditional EoS team thrown in.  Where is the extra quality in that unless you are a fan of Dalkeith or Arniston or Dunbar in which case you might be playing better quality teams than you are used to?

Fans of clubs joining the pyramid at tier 6 sometimes seem be fooling themselves a little into what it is they are entering. If you are already in the Superleague you need to prepare yourself for poorer competition. Even escaping to the LL is no great improvement beyond the top 4 or 5 there. 

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36 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said:

I think given the behaviour on here of West supporters on my other post I think more than confirms it' the right decision to leave. Loved the juniors but time for a new journey 

LOL!

Behaviour (not sure what behaviour you mean, by the way. Did someone have a different opinion from you?)  of a few people from the other side of the country on a messageboard confirms that it is right for Camelon Juniors to move from the East Region to the EoS.

Yes, that makes one whole lot of sense.

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