Cyclizine Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 I suspect the idea of the SJFA itself taking an overarching role in the pyramid is now gone. However, that's not to say the regional committees can't be involved - there's a potential opportunity for North and West Regions to get on board at Level 6. I think the East Region's blazers have missed the boat. Obviously, this assumes that the SoSFL don't want to expand beyond Dumfries and Galloway. I can't see any need for the national association, especially since their current role is limited as it is, with most stuff devolved to the regions anyway. The Junior Cup could easily be run by co-opted members from the regions. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Cyclizine said: I think the East Region's blazers have missed the boat. Some of them already went 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclizine Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Just now, FairWeatherFan said: Some of them already went Good point! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 42 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Wont happen though. Be interested to find out who voted for it. It would be quicker listing those who voted against it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 39 minutes ago, Marten said: The remaining East teams south of the Tay could join tier 7 in the EOS. The north of Tay teams can merge with the north juniors, the top division can go straight into tier 6. Some space will be needed for the NCL, but that could become a regional division at tier 7 I suppose. In the west it doesn't seem too difficult either, they can just enter at tier 6, probably give the chance to better SOS teams to join at tier 6 and have the remainder of the SOS as a feeder at tier 7. If amateur teams (Glasgow University?) apply, they can be put in an appropriate tier. It shouldn't be too difficult outside the east really, if the SJFA do it right. I see a major flaw in your reasoning... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag Nation Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 30 minutes ago, Khufu2 said: I think that's pretty spot on. The WRSJFA and NRSJFA can pick up the tier 6 leagues, renamed as West of Scotland and North of Scotland Leagues whilst the EoS runs the East. I see no role for a central SJFA. OK in the west, but there's already a long- established tier 6 league in the north. But you're right about the central non-role. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, Stag Nation said: OK in the west, but there's already a long- established tier 6 league in the north. It would only become a tier 6 feeder in a similar manner to the EoS and SoS when pro/rel starts happening and it hasn't yet where the North Caledonian league is concerned. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khufu2 Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 20 minutes ago, Stag Nation said: OK in the west, but there's already a long- established tier 6 league in the north. But you're right about the central non-role. In the far North. Just as there’s one in the far South. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag Nation Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 22 minutes ago, Khufu2 said: In the far North. Just as there’s one in the far South. The HL goes as far North as Wick. How many teams are there "farther" North? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khufu2 Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, Stag Nation said: The HL goes as far North as Wick. How many teams are there "farther" North? We’re discussing tier 6. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, Stag Nation said: The HL goes as far North as Wick. How many teams are there "farther" North? Tier 5 = HL/LL Tier 6 = EoS/SoS Those are the only pyramid leagues out with the SPFL just now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag Nation Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Khufu2 said: We’re discussing tier 6. Fair point! Edited June 16, 2018 by Stag Nation 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanley Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Stag Nation said: OK in the west, but there's already a long- established tier 6 league in the north. But you're right about the central non-role. Certainly wouldn't call the NCL tier 6. Long-established as a league but not in the pyramid. As things stands, it is very clearly outwith the pyramid. It's only for historical reasons that it is even considered a senior league. I doubt the NCL would be a big obstacle in this process. It should be incorporated into the pyramid along with the north juniors. There's no way it can be considered a "long-established tier 6" league. when it isn't even part of the pyramid and clubs have never been promoted into tier 5 (some have moved over the years but, even then, not for a long time). I think the last time was Wick in 1994. Since then you've had Turriff, Formartine, Strathspey (2009) and Inverurie (2001) make the move from the juniors. Edited June 16, 2018 by stanley 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag Nation Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, stanley said: Certainly wouldn't call the NCL tier 6. Long-established as a league but not in the pyramid. As things stands, it is very clearly outwith the pyramid. It's only for historical reasons that it is even considered a senior league. I doubt the NCL would be a big obstacle in this process. It should be incorporated into the pyramid along with the north juniors. There's no way it can be considered a "long-established tier 6" league. when it isn't even part of the pyramid and clubs have never been promoted into tier 5 (some have moved over the years but, even then, not for a long time). I think the last time was Wick in 1994. Since then you've had Turriff, Formartine, Strathspey (2009) and Inverurie (2001) make the move from the juniors. You're right, I got my tiers confused and was thinking of the HL. I doubt if any NCL clubs would want to be part of the pyramid. Geography is against them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Khufu2 said: There will be tier 7 EoS teams in 2019-20. Can we really have two bodies running divisions at the same level of pyramid in the same region? No. Right from the start of this forum I have said that the SFA will not accept 2 pyramid feeder leagues in the same area. The East Region Juniors will be subsumed into the East of Scotland League in 2019/20, with the exception of the Tayside clubs. Dundee has more affinity with Aberdeen than it does with Edinburgh. Also Dundee has more connections with Inverness than with the Borders. IMO the SFA may tinker with the Highland/Lowland boundary (Perth ?), but won't change it significantly. It needs balance between the Highland & Lowland structures, and the SPFL would have to be consulted. The PWG will have a busy autumn. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Wont happen though. Be interested to find out who voted for it. It would be better to know who are the 4 clubs who voted against it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Stag Nation said: The HL goes as far North as Wick. How many teams are there "farther" North? NCL clubs Thurso, Halkirk Utd and Orkney FC (current champions) are farther north. Edited June 16, 2018 by Robert James 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanley Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 Would be great if they could set up a WoS and an NoS for 2019-20. Make an announcement this summer and invite applications. Open it up to the amateurs as well. Gives everyone time to prepare for the move. Then base the leagues next year on finishing positions in 2018-19. This kind of thing seemed impossible not so long ago but now it seems inevitable that it will happen at some point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, Robert James said: IMO the SFA may tinker with the Highland/Lowland boundary (Perth ?), but won't change it significantly. It needs balance between the Highland & Lowland structures, and the SPFL would have to be consulted. Outside looking in, it seems like Tayport want to remain with their traditional Tayside rivals. Certainly easy enough to lower the boundary to include them as a HL area club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted June 16, 2018 Share Posted June 16, 2018 32 minutes ago, stanley said: Certainly wouldn't call the NCL tier 6. Long-established as a league but not in the pyramid. As things stands, it is very clearly outwith the pyramid. It's only for historical reasons that it is even considered a senior league. I doubt the NCL would be a big obstacle in this process. It should be incorporated into the pyramid along with the north juniors. There's no way it can be considered a "long-established tier 6" league. when it isn't even part of the pyramid and clubs have never been promoted into tier 5 (some have moved over the years but, even then, not for a long time). I think the last time was Wick in 1994. Since then you've had Turriff, Formartine, Strathspey (2009) and Inverurie (2001) make the move from the juniors. The NCL wouldn't be interested in being at Tier 6 in the pyramid. Only 1 of its 9 clubs is licensed (Golspie), and there are geographical logistics to consider. Current HFL clubs Fort William, Brora Rangers, Wick Academy & Strathspey Thistle would fall into the NCL 'region', if (in the future) they were relegated from the HFL. Also in the last few seasons, Nairn County, Elgin City, and Lossiemouth have entered their Development teams in some of the NCL cup competitions, and Clachnacuddin 'Reserves' played in the league for a short while. Inverness City were also members of the NCL when the club was formed, before going junior. The NCL could however, be 'incorporated' at Tier 7, as would the Grampian & Tayside feeder leagues, in my view, as a couple of its clubs are thought to be ambitious. Sorting out Tier 6 first, would be the priority in the North/North East. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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