Forever_blueco Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Oops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordHawHaw Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 44 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: Hey, you've just found a new way for Celtic to let down, abandon, and damage Scottish football. Impressive. Ah, but Celtic (only due to fan pressure IMO) are the only club to have actually asked that the situation be reviewed. The scaleof the cheating demands that trophies illegally bought by Rangers are at the very least voided If anything I would have thought clubs / fans other than Celtic should be more annoyed by the behaviour of the authorities in the whole Rangers / Sevco / The Rangers debacle Other clubs silence for me means a tacit acceptance of not seeking those authorities to correct what was patently done wrong. Its one of the most depressing aspects of this whole unpalatable saga , even worse looking at removing titles from the dead Rangers is seen as part of the two cheeks of the same arse debate A large part of the Rangers corruption of our game authorities was done, in my opinion, due to the opinion Scottish football is not viable without Rangers (I'm making the horrible assumption if this had been Celtic the authorities would have acted the same) For me Doncaster, Regan, and the rest effectively stated by their actions Rangers (yes Celtic too) are untouchable, everyone else is simply cannon fodder. I firmly beleive if Dundee had cheated as much as Rangers they would have had the right punishment Rangers did not get, that's a terrible situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverWolfe Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Hey, you've just found a new way for Celtic to let down, abandon, and damage Scottish football. Impressive. You can't have it both ways MT. You can't say this is not about Celtic it's about the greater good, it's about justice for all of Scottish football. Then claim that Celtic would be damaging Scottish football by not acting. You know what would happen if Celtic made a stand. It would become a Celtic v Rangers thing and very quickly people like you would be shouting that you don't care anymore. Celtic cannot possibly gain anything from being involved in this at all and that then leaves it up to all the other clubs. We know that they won't do anything either so it's time to accept it and move on I'm afraid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordHawHaw Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 21 minutes ago, Forever_blueco said: @Monkey Tennis who needs words when you have all the pictures in the world God bless those side letters that you did Is that an acknowledgement that we did cheat but who cares we're The Rangers ( and have bought the room Rangers kept the trophies in) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, LordHawHaw said: Is that an acknowledgement that we did cheat but who cares we're The Rangers ( and have the room they kept the trophies in) That's exactly what this is. He started off by arguing about the rights and wrongs of this, but when he realised that his side only had the latter, he resorted to this 'We cheated to win and you can do nothing about it' stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_blueco Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 8 minutes ago, LordHawHaw said: Is that an acknowledgement that we did cheat but who cares we're The Rangers ( and have bought the room Rangers kept the trophies in) 1 minute ago, Monkey Tennis said: That's exactly what this is. He started off by arguing about the rights and wrongs of this, but when he realised that his side only had the latter, he resorted to this 'We cheated to win and you can do nothing about it' stuff. Laughing masonicly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 8 minutes ago, Tartantony said: You can't have it both ways MT. You can't say this is not about Celtic it's about the greater good, it's about justice for all of Scottish football. Then claim that Celtic would be damaging Scottish football by not acting. Yes I can, because they're not contradictory. I said in my first post on the BRALT after the latest ruling, that I wanted Celtic to have a voice here because it's potentially loud, but that this concerned all of us. I'm under no illusions about the apathy other clubs will display. No Queens fan needs a reminder of the potential for boardroom treachery where the Rangers question is concerned. Deciding to just drop it however, allows a colossal injustice in our game to remain in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nacho Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 1. no court has determined that what rangers did was illegal, the supreme court ruling was clear that it was tax avoidance which is legal. feel free to pour through the court ruling you will find no mention of evasion there so legal. rangers disputed a bill, it was determined last week that this bill was owed after 7 years and 4 court cases, we didnt owe the money until last week finally cleared the matter up. 2. rangers werent guilty of anything, only criminal cases determine guilt / innocence, this was a civil case which does not have those verdicts. 3. the sfa/ spfl has no remit to deal with legal tax avoidance schemes in their rules, so the verdict changes nothing in that respect 4. we have already been punished for our only rule breach - the side letters, lord nimmo was clear that this was final 5. far from being the only club with these evil ebts, most epl clubs and over half of english championship clubs and also celtic used them, albeit only once in celtics case, no one thinks anyone cheated in england or even cares about tax avoidance there. 6. no-one barring celtic cares about ebts in the spfl, the other teams are not interested in doing anything about it and most of their fans dont care either. the celtic statement was only released to placate their fans who live in an insane fantasy world which doesnt reflect reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forever_blueco Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Monkey tennis had a dream the Martin Luther king of dumfries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, nacho said: 1. no court has determined that what rangers did was illegal, the supreme court ruling was clear that it was tax avoidance which is legal. feel free to pour through the court ruling you will find no mention of evasion there so legal. rangers disputed a bill, it was determined last week that this bill was owed after 7 years and 4 court cases, we didnt owe the money until last week finally cleared the matter up. 2. rangers werent guilty of anything, only criminal cases determine guilt / innocence, this was a civil case which does not have those verdicts. 3. the sfa/ spfl has no remit to deal with legal tax avoidance schemes in their rules, so the verdict changes nothing in that respect 4. we have already been punished for our only rule breach - the side letters, lord nimmo was clear that this was final 5. far from being the only club with these evil ebts, most epl clubs and over half of english championship clubs and also celtic used them, albeit only once in celtics case, no one thinks anyone cheated in england or even cares about tax avoidance there. Only point 4 is remotely relevant. The LNS ruling, based on how the big tax case then stood and accompanied by a ludicrous remark regarding "no competitive advantage" is thoroughly discredited. All you have is that it's apparently binding. You're unable to argue convincingly that it's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 17 minutes ago, nacho said: 1. no court has determined that what rangers did was illegal, the supreme court ruling was clear that it was tax avoidance which is legal. feel free to pour pore through the court ruling you will find no mention of evasion there so legal. rangers disputed a bill, it was determined last week that this bill was owed after 7 years and 4 court cases, we didnt owe the money until last week finally cleared the matter up. 2. rangers werent guilty of anything, only criminal cases determine guilt / innocence, this was a civil case which does not have those verdicts. 3. the sfa/ spfl has no remit to deal with legal tax avoidance schemes in their rules, so the verdict changes nothing in that respect 4. we have already been punished for our only rule breach - the side letters, lord nimmo was clear that this was final 5. far from being the only club with these evil ebts, most epl clubs and over half of english championship clubs and also celtic used them, albeit only once in celtics case, no one thinks anyone cheated in england or even cares about tax avoidance there. 6. no-one barring celtic cares about ebts in the spfl, the other teams are not interested in doing anything about it and most of their fans dont care either. the celtic statement was only released to placate their fans who live in an insane fantasy world which doesnt reflect reality. 5/ Did these clubs issue side letters to the receipients which they failed to register with the relevant authorities over the time scale of their particular EBT scheme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrik's tongue Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 23 minutes ago, nacho said: 1. no court has determined that what rangers did was illegal, the supreme court ruling was clear that it was tax avoidance which is legal. feel free to pour through the court ruling you will find no mention of evasion there so legal. rangers disputed a bill, it was determined last week that this bill was owed after 7 years and 4 court cases, we didnt owe the money until last week finally cleared the matter up. 2. rangers werent guilty of anything, only criminal cases determine guilt / innocence, this was a civil case which does not have those verdicts. 3. the sfa/ spfl has no remit to deal with legal tax avoidance schemes in their rules, so the verdict changes nothing in that respect 4. we have already been punished for our only rule breach - the side letters, lord nimmo was clear that this was final 5. far from being the only club with these evil ebts, most epl clubs and over half of english championship clubs and also celtic used them, albeit only once in celtics case, no one thinks anyone cheated in england or even cares about tax avoidance there. 6. no-one barring celtic cares about ebts in the spfl, the other teams are not interested in doing anything about it and most of their fans dont care either. the celtic statement was only released to placate their fans who live in an insane fantasy world which doesnt reflect reality. He's back folks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Henrik's tongue said: He's back folks! Probably spent most of the last week unconscious in Luxembourg due to being in receipt of EAI (excess alcohiol intake - perfectly legal). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 8 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: Probably spent most of the last week unconscious in Luxembourg due to being in receipt of EAI (excess alcohiol intake - perfectly legal). He was the one in the picture with the man bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobWilliamson Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 2 hours ago, nacho said: 1. no court has determined that what rangers did was illegal, the supreme court ruling was clear that it was tax avoidance which is legal. feel free to pour through the court ruling you will find no mention of evasion there so legal. rangers disputed a bill, it was determined last week that this bill was owed after 7 years and 4 court cases, we didnt owe the money until last week finally cleared the matter up. 2. rangers werent guilty of anything, only criminal cases determine guilt / innocence, this was a civil case which does not have those verdicts. 3. the sfa/ spfl has no remit to deal with legal tax avoidance schemes in their rules, so the verdict changes nothing in that respect 4. we have already been punished for our only rule breach - the side letters, lord nimmo was clear that this was final 5. far from being the only club with these evil ebts, most epl clubs and over half of english championship clubs and also celtic used them, albeit only once in celtics case, no one thinks anyone cheated in england or even cares about tax avoidance there. 6. no-one barring celtic cares about ebts in the spfl, the other teams are not interested in doing anything about it and most of their fans dont care either. the celtic statement was only released to placate their fans who live in an insane fantasy world which doesnt reflect reality. Absolutely spot on and at the same time pissing in the wind trying to discuss anything to do with Rangers with these screaming moon howlers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 4 minutes ago, BobWilliamson said: Absolutely spot on wrong and at the same time pissing in the wind trying to discuss anything to do with Rangers with these screaming moon howlers. Ahwhoooooo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverWolfe Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 Ahwhoooooo! [emoji23] [emoji23] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, BobWilliamson said: Absolutely spot on and at the same time pissing in the wind trying to discuss anything to do with Rangers with these screaming moon howlers. Spot on indeed. Only one of his six points has any relevance at all to the question of title stripping. Yet you want to characterise others as irrational. Top notch drivel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrik's tongue Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 43 minutes ago, BobWilliamson said: Absolutely spot on and at the same time pissing in the wind trying to discuss anything to do with Rangers with these screaming moon howlers. Imagine believing anything nacho says Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henrik's tongue Posted July 13, 2017 Share Posted July 13, 2017 40 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: Ahwhoooooo! Werewolves Of London... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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