welshbairn Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, sophia said: Nope and you are at it I'm honestly not and I don't see how the BBC headline, although shorter, distorts the news from the other ones. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 2 minutes ago, lichtgilphead said: Are Brexiteers not separatists? Why don't you go and find a BBC headline that refers to "British separatists" - or would you consider that to be too subjective? Is separatist a slur now? I'd be quite happy to be called a Scottish separatist, because it's what I am. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Seperatist has been used as a slur on this very sub section from the resident yoons. I'd suspect you'd know that, given you're on here a bit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 1 minute ago, Randy Giles said: Seperatist has been used as a slur on this very sub section from the resident yoons. I'd suspect you'd know that, given you're on here a bit. Honestly haven't registered it as an insult. Why should it be? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Just now, welshbairn said: Honestly haven't registered it as an insult. Why should it be? It shouldn't be, you're certainly right about that. But it's been banded about that way, and it's always on the one side for the same reason. The word has a stigma about it. Whether you were aware of that or not, it's certainly there. I'd have a wee search for it's use on here for examples. Again, BBC used that word for a reason. The headline was not balanced. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 5 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Is separatist a slur now? I'd be quite happy to be called a Scottish separatist, because it's what I am. Dictionary definitions of 'separatist' usually reference ethnicity or religion. My support for Scottish independence is not based on either of these factors. Is yours? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob the tank Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 It shouldn't be, you're certainly right about that. But it's been banded about that way, and it's always on the one side for the same reason. The word has a stigma about it. Whether you were aware of that or not, it's certainly there. I'd have a wee search for it's use on here for examples. Again, BBC used that word for a reason. The headline was not balanced. You're totally correct, and let's not forget the use of the phrase "the Scottish Nationalist Party" by the same BBC in a snidey, derogatory fashion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 6 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Is separatist a slur now? I'd be quite happy to be called a Scottish separatist, because it's what I am. You seem to be hanging with the same sort of language as that embraced by Michelle Mone (she thinks the Irish drive on the right) and if that is the cut of your jib, i can't support you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 7 hours ago, bob the tank said: You're totally correct, and let's not forget the use of the phrase "the Scottish Nationalist Party" by the same BBC in a snidey, derogatory fashion Heard it all now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 The term separatist is without doubt a slur. No surprise from the BBC. What about the Boris being a separatist and Phillip not. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 So if separatist and nationalist are unacceptable terms for someone seeking political independence for a geographical area, what word should be used? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Going to the definition of seperatist that was implied earlier... " a person who supports the separation of a particular group of people from a larger body on the basis of ethnicity, religion, or gender. " I guess that it is a wrong term to use after all. I see nothing wrong with Nationalist. I think the problem with it being used in SNP is that it's not actually what SNP stands for. But I don't think anyone takes that as an insult very seriously or even notices tbh. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 And asking roundabout questions doesn't take away from the fact that seperatist in this context was meant as a slur. Let's be absolutely clear on that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Quote Definition of separatist :one that favors separatism: such as a capitalized :one of a group of 16th and 17th century English Protestants preferring to separate from rather than to reform the Church of Englandb :an advocate of independence or autonomy for a part of a political unit (such as a nation) c :an advocate of racial or cultural separation https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/separatist 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 6 minutes ago, Randy Giles said: And asking roundabout questions doesn't take away from the fact that seperatist in this context was meant as a slur. Let's be absolutely clear on that. I don't see how you can know that without asking the writer or finding something biased in the story. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 I know where the article comes from and that's good enough. Can we add ignorance of the BBC's past reporting to ignorance of seperatist as a slur? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 5 minutes ago, Randy Giles said: I know where the article comes from and that's good enough. Can we add ignorance of the BBC's past reporting to ignorance of seperatist as a slur? I haven't noticed any significant bias over the Catalan issue. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 4 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I haven't noticed any significant bias over the Catalan issue. They've wrongly, like some on both sides do, linked it with Scottish independence thing. There's a reason nobody else uses that language. They know exactly how the word comes across. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 25 minutes ago, welshbairn said: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/separatist So the UK government and all Brexiteers are separatists for wanting the UK to leave the political unit of the European Union. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Yup. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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