StellarHibee Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 51 minutes ago, RuMoore said: You're correct that Labour policy under Corbyn was popular but he wasn't the man to deliver it and voters hated him for multiple reasons. No, voters hated him for one reason. A reason that was fundamentally false. If Starmer was to suddenly start promoting the same policies that were so popular under Corbyn, the neo-liberal machine would soon use their lacky's in the media to invent a reason to make voters hate him as well. It's really quite sad that such a large number of people (including yourself) can't see the con job being pulled right in front of your eyes whenever there's an opportunity to make a positive difference. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 Let's not kid ourselves here. Our resident multi alias posters on this thread would love nothing more than a Labour implosion and four more years of an ever more right wing Tory govt at Westminster. There "I'm centrist Labour (as a floater)" act is fooling no one no matter how the try to dress it up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 1 minute ago, orfc said: The one remaining nationalist feverishly poking away at their keyboard is more likely given the SNPs current showing What will get you four more years of Tory is telling people not to vote for the option most likely to beat them, but at least you'll have kept your purity and won't have to make real decisions with consequences Because becoming them is really "beating them". Unionists really are an overly simplistic breed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMoore Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 37 minutes ago, StellarHibee said: No, voters hated him for one reason. A reason that was fundamentally false. If Starmer was to suddenly start promoting the same policies that were so popular under Corbyn, the neo-liberal machine would soon use their lacky's in the media to invent a reason to make voters hate him as well. It's really quite sad that such a large number of people (including yourself) can't see the con job being pulled right in front of your eyes whenever there's an opportunity to make a positive difference. Nope, you're wrong, as per usual. There was lots of different reasons Corbyn failed. Multiple of them were valid, a few were a load of shite. Your last part is very unserious, as expected. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFCinthearea Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 19 hours ago, StellarHibee said: The electorate: "Yeah, he's the guy who will bring the change we need". Quite right too. If people can't afford to have kids then why keep producing them and then moan about being skint? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 1 minute ago, FFCinthearea said: Quite right too. If people can't afford to have kids then why keep producing them and then moan about being skint? So what about people who can afford kids, have kids, then later on they fall on hard times? Perhaps they should adopt the China method and simply drown them? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 13 minutes ago, orfc said: What will get you four more years of Tory is telling people not to vote for the option most likely to beat them, but at least you'll have kept your purity and won't have to make real decisions with consequences If Starmer is "winning" then he won't need many (if any) seats in Scotland, so not voting for Labour will have little to no effect. So is he "winning" or is he not? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 7 minutes ago, FFCinthearea said: Quite right too. If people can't afford to have kids then why keep producing them and then moan about being skint? Also, why do you think it's a good idea to punish kids for being born? Particularly in a "rich and prosperous union" that was sold to Scotland back in 2014? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Venom Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 Unionists: "Hey Scotland, the quickest way to stop the Tories is to vote Labour!" Aye that's historically worked really well. Fucking state of the UK 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFCinthearea Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 15 minutes ago, StellarHibee said: Also, why do you think it's a good idea to punish kids for being born? Particularly in a "rich and prosperous union" that was sold to Scotland back in 2014? Blame the parents. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFCinthearea Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 23 minutes ago, StellarHibee said: So what about people who can afford kids, have kids, then later on they fall on hard times? Perhaps they should adopt the China method and simply drown them? That'll be the exception rather than the rule. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 35 minutes ago, orfc said: The one remaining nationalist feverishly poking away at their keyboard is more likely given the SNPs current showing What will get you four more years of Tory is telling people not to vote for the option most likely to beat them, but at least you'll have kept your purity and won't have to make real decisions with consequences Ooooft. If the cap fits and all that. Four more years of Tory or four years of Labour makes zero difference in my eyes. It's the OF of politics, two cheeks of the same arse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 Just now, FFCinthearea said: Blame the parents. Aye, great idea. Let the kids suffer, as long as it makes the parents look bad. Sociopathy must come naturally to you and the political right in general. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, RuMoore said: You're correct that Labour policy under Corbyn was popular but he wasn't the man to deliver it and voters hated him for multiple reasons. Brexit played a massive part but it wasn't the only factor in his failures, Keir has done well to mitigate these factors and win voters back that would have never entertained Corbyn being in charge, anecdotally speaking moronic voters view "leftys" as a threat to what they believe in and taking Brexit off the table Keir appeals more to these people whereas lazy communist scare tactics worked so easily with Corbyn. Much of that was down to the Murdoch/Dacre media painting Corbyn as some sort of enemy of the state/terrorist pal which of course was bullshit like most of the criticism of Corbyn. I'm not going to apologise for liking Corbyn's policies, they were good and nationalising Rail and Water are popular with the public. Increasing broadband coverage and speed and making it dirt cheap again was a very good. policy. But Corbyn scared the establishment, he wasn't for sale and had Tory shill's screaming. His attitude to the individual of "If you earn a lot of money pay your taxes towards society and don't complain" obviously terrified them. That and making companies who operate in the UK actually pay UK tax would have had Dacre soiling himself in rage. Edited July 17, 2023 by AndyM 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyM Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, StellarHibee said: Aye, great idea. Let the kids suffer, as long as it makes the parents look bad. Sociopathy must come naturally to you and the political right in general. What is it with these right wingers? if a child is hungry first and foremost you feed them, you don't squeal about their background. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 Just now, AndyM said: What is it with these right wingers? if a child is hungry first and foremost you feed them, you don't squeal about their background. Right wingers in a nutshell. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 2 hours ago, RuMoore said: I did say generally speaking as in when presented with two options in my life time they've generally went for the centre types. Cameron and May had success from the centre ground as did Blair and Co before. You're correct that Labour policy under Corbyn was popular but he wasn't the man to deliver it and voters hated him for multiple reasons. Brexit played a massive part but it wasn't the only factor in his failures, Keir has done well to mitigate these factors and win voters back that would have never entertained Corbyn being in charge, anecdotally speaking moronic voters view "leftys" as a threat to what they believe in and taking Brexit off the table Keir appeals more to these people whereas lazy communist scare tactics worked so easily with Corbyn. Corbyn wanted to leave the EU and didn’t really campaign for remain. What Starmer has taken off the table is lukewarm centrist Social Democracy, which is what Corbyn was offering. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 23 minutes ago, Jeff Venom said: Unionists: "Hey Scotland, the quickest way to stop the Tories is to vote Labour!" Aye that's historically worked really well. Fucking state of the UK It's a bizarre line give whatever England votes for, Scotland gets. So If England vote the Tories in again, all of Scotland could vote for the Cock and Balls Party, it would make fuck all difference. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StellarHibee Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 1 minute ago, TheScarf said: It's a bizarre line give whatever England votes for, Scotland gets. So If England vote the Tories in again, all of Scotland could vote for the Cock and Balls Party, it would make f**k all difference. That's pretty close tbf. The tories are basically the Cock and Balls Party, without the lubricant. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FFCinthearea Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 12 minutes ago, AndyM said: What is it with these right wingers? if a child is hungry first and foremost you feed them, you don't squeal about their background. Maybe the 2 cap limit is a sensible way to get all of the never do wells to keep their pants up and their legs shut? Child Poverty rates in Scotland primarily down to the fact that poor people continue to have large families. The mentality of these people needs to change and when it does the problem of child poverty will significantly reduce. Take a wander around any town centre and you will see people who clearly don't have a lot pushing prams around. -6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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