Left Back Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 13 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: ???? How so ???? You asking about the hospital pass or the move backfiring? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 26 minutes ago, Left Back said: You asking about the hospital pass or the move backfiring? It was the hospital pass part. It was always going to backfire, there was no way they were not going to take the amendments so much so that I'm sure the SNP knew full well that would be the case. No matter how well meaning this all is it still boils down to party politics, all 3 parties want cessation on "their" erms despite their terms being utterly irrelevant to those actually suffering. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 What is this 'hospital pass' ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 2 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: It was the hospital pass part. It was always going to backfire, there was no way they were not going to take the amendments so much so that I'm sure the SNP knew full well that would be the case. No matter how well meaning this all is it still boils down to party politics, all 3 parties want cessation on "their" erms despite their terms being utterly irrelevant to those actually suffering. So not well meaning at all then seeing as all 3 of the main parties are more concerned with their optics than the rights and wrongs of the issue at hand. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Just now, D Angelo Barksdale said: What is this 'hospital pass' ? The SNP tabled the opposition day motion, knowing full well Labour couldn't back it given their previous stance. The Government tabled an amendment (as they normally do and were bound to in this case as they couldn't back the motion as it was different to their public stance). Between them it looked like they had Labour backed into a corner with no way to be able to back any kind of ceasefire. Labour supposedly were going to abstain from the motion but lots of Labour MP's were likely to rebel and back it which would have caused it's own issues for Starmer. Big rebellion headlines, no control of his party etc. It looked like they were in a no win situation until Hoyle gave them an out. Labour MP's can back Labour's amendment and abstain the actual motion if it gets that far. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Quitely Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Lindsay Hoyle further corroding public trust in the political system. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 And now the tories are refusing to vote 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Nicholas Watt is the political editor of Newsnight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BucksburnDandy Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Looks like Hoyle will be toast sooner than Labour threatened he would be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 17 minutes ago, Left Back said: The SNP tabled the opposition day motion, knowing full well Labour couldn't back it given their previous stance. The Government tabled an amendment (as they normally do and were bound to in this case as they couldn't back the motion as it was different to their public stance). Between them it looked like they had Labour backed into a corner with no way to be able to back any kind of ceasefire. Labour supposedly were going to abstain from the motion but lots of Labour MP's were likely to rebel and back it which would have caused it's own issues for Starmer. Big rebellion headlines, no control of his party etc. It looked like they were in a no win situation until Hoyle gave them an out. Labour MP's can back Labour's amendment and abstain the actual motion if it gets that far. So Labour have triangulated themselves into a mess and it's the SNP's fault ? 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 11 minutes ago, doulikefish said: And now the tories are refusing to vote More than that. They’ve withdrawn their amendment as well. Toys everywhere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richey Edwards Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 The HoC speaker got chased out the building by a big dog. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 13 minutes ago, BucksburnDandy said: Looks like Hoyle will be toast sooner than Labour threatened he would be. And he has left his deputy to carry the can 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 3 minutes ago, D Angelo Barksdale said: So Labour have triangulated themselves into a mess and it's the SNP's fault ? It’s a bit more complicated than that. No doubt Labours position was a mess but it changed sufficiently enough with their own amendment that even the SNP were backing it. No-one is looking good here. A trap was set, it’s backfired and everyone is now scrambling for cover and forgotten the whole issue of the motion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 6 minutes ago, Richey Edwards said: The HoC speaker got chased out the building by a big dog. Nah. He’s away to the job centre 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheese Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 5 minutes ago, Left Back said: It’s a bit more complicated than that. No doubt Labours position was a mess but it changed sufficiently enough with their own amendment that even the SNP were backing it. No-one is looking good here. A trap was set, it’s backfired and everyone is now scrambling for cover and forgotten the whole issue of the motion. What was the 'trap' ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 1 minute ago, D Angelo Barksdale said: What was the 'trap' ? Tabling the initial motion. They knew neither Labour or the Tories could back it and therefore they could claim the moral high ground by saying they were the only party calling for a ceasefire. The potential Labour rebellion was a bonus where they could have a second dig at Starmer. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oneteaminglasgow Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Just now, Left Back said: they could claim the moral high ground I mean, there’s no need to claim anything. In this issue, they just definitely have the moral high ground being the only ones not actively backing genocide. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 The motherfkkr of parliaments. Now having a division on whether or not to chuck out the press and public and turn the cameras off. Democracy? My @rse! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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