hk blues Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 On 21/03/2019 at 01:45, G_Man1985 said: He has us fighting to stay in this league. He is making a complete ass of this. The board have to take huge blame for this atrocious appointment Your first sentence is contradicted by the next two, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 hours ago, hk blues said: Your first sentence is contradicted by the next two, surely? Surely hes making the point a Dundee manager is failing if hes only got you fighting to stay in the league? This was the table when he took charge... It's not as if you were miles adrift or anything when you hired him. This is the table since you hired him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossDee01 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Surely hes making the point a Dundee manager is failing if hes only got you fighting to stay in the league? This was the table when he took charge... It's not as if you were miles adrift or anything when you hired him. This is the table since you hired him...The fact that Motherwell could potentially get a European spot and we are where we are shows how bad a job he has done since he has come in. A defeat at the weekend and he should be gone with McPake and Boyle brought in till the end of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 2 hours ago, RandomGuy. said: Surely hes making the point a Dundee manager is failing if hes only got you fighting to stay in the league? This was the table when he took charge... It's not as if you were miles adrift or anything when you hired him. This is the table since you hired him... Firstly - why shouldn't we be fighting to stay in the league? It's not like we have had one random bad season amongst many good ones. The piss poor job done by McCann in pretty much all areas left whoever was going to be his successor with a mountain to climb. Secondly, - if he had maintained the same points record as McCann had, we'd now be on 11 points - McIntyre has us on 50% more than that. Your post does nothing but support the view that McIntyre has done a better job than McCann. I'm bemused as to why you think the table supports your view that McCann was doing a better job than McIntyre has. The numbers show otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 58 minutes ago, RossDee01 said: The fact that Motherwell could potentially get a European spot and we are where we are shows how bad a job he has done since he has come in. A defeat at the weekend and he should be gone with McPake and Boyle brought in till the end of the season. Read the stats in the tables - McCann points per game - 0.375 McIntyre points per game - 0.65 Almost double under McIntyre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 14 minutes ago, hk blues said: Firstly - why shouldn't we be fighting to stay in the league? It's not like we have had one random bad season amongst many good ones. The piss poor job done by McCann in pretty much all areas left whoever was going to be his successor with a mountain to climb. Secondly, - if he had maintained the same points record as McCann had, we'd now be on 11 points - McIntyre has us on 50% more than that. Your post does nothing but support the view that McIntyre has done a better job than McCann. I'm bemused as to why you think the table supports your view that McCann was doing a better job than McIntyre has. The numbers show otherwise. Where have I said McCann was doing better? McCann was a disaster, McIntyre is shite. Your argument is effectively that standing on a solid shite is better than standing on a wet one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 9 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Where have I said McCann was doing better? McCann was a disaster, McIntyre is shite. Your argument is effectively that standing on a solid shite is better than standing on a wet one. You said in your post we weren't miles adrift when we hired McIntyre - that suggests you are batting for McCann. And, you have ignored my 1st point. To reiterate - McCann left a pile of shite behind for whoever and McIntyre's performance since taking the job must take that into account. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossDee01 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Read the stats in the tables - McCann points per game - 0.375 McIntyre points per game - 0.65 Almost double under McIntyre. McCann was shite.McIntyre is shite.I’m not saying one is better than the other. They are both doing/did an awful job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 10 minutes ago, RossDee01 said: McCann was shite. McIntyre is shite. I’m not saying one is better than the other. They are both doing/did an awful job. McCann was worse than shite. McIntyre has done a better job than McCann was doing. Based on numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossDee01 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 McCann was worse than shite. McIntyre has done a better job than McCann was doing. Based on numbers. Maybe so. But that doesn’t make him a good manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 18 minutes ago, hk blues said: You said in your post we weren't miles adrift when we hired McIntyre - that suggests you are batting for McCann. And, you have ignored my 1st point. To reiterate - McCann left a pile of shite behind for whoever and McIntyre's performance since taking the job must take that into account. I'm not "batting" for either. Kilmarnock were shite when McCulloch managed them, Clarke turned them around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 13 minutes ago, RossDee01 said: Maybe so. But that doesn’t make him a good manager. Agreed. But, he's not doing as bad a job as some say based on the numbers and what he inherited. IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 53 minutes ago, hk blues said: Read the stats in the tables - McCann points per game - 0.375 McIntyre points per game - 0.65 Almost double under McIntyre. Look back over McCanns final 23 games or whatever, and compare it to McIntyre... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, G_Man1985 said: If we are going on stats dosnt McIntyre have the worst win percentage in history at Dundee? But obviously that's not his fault. You sign 13 players or so but it's still somebody else fault. Teams bring in new managers or change and they see an improvement...... we bring in a new manager and plenty players to sort this out, yet we are fighting to stay in the league. McIntyre is a joke of a manager. He hasn't a clue Why do people keep quoting win percentage stats A) without substantiating the claim and B) without explaining why that is so important. It seems to me people are using the stat to support their narrative. The only stat we need to worry about is points - McCann 0.375 per game McIntyre 0.653 per game. Leagues are won and relegation is decided by points, not win %s. Ever heard of the saying - You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear? We are fighting to stay in the league because of what McCann left behind first and foremost. Has McIntyre done a good job - nope. Has he done a terrible job - nope. Joke of a manger - seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Look back over McCanns final 23 games or whatever, and compare it to McIntyre... We are using the stats you chose. They didn't support your argument. Now you want to look at another set. Jesus wept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 HkBlues are you Billy Dodds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossDee01 Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 We are using the stats you chose. They didn't support your argument. Now you want to look at another set. Jesus wept. Would you not agree that he should be punted if we lose on Saturday? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, hk blues said: We are using the stats you chose. They didn't support your argument. Now you want to look at another set. Jesus wept. My point was McIntyre has been shite for you. The stats show Dundee have been the 11th best team in the league since he took charge. Mewl about how McCanns squad was a disaster if you want, but Brian Rice has the same amount of wins in 7 Hamilton games as McIntyre has in over 20 games at Dundee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted March 22, 2019 Share Posted March 22, 2019 Just now, RandomGuy. said: My point was McIntyre has been shite for you. The stats show Dundee have been the 11th best team in the league since he took charge. Mewl about how McCanns squad was a disaster if you want, but Brian Rice has the same amount of wins in 7 Hamilton games with Hamilton as McIntyre has in over 20 games at Dundee. He hasn't been great, granted. We were 12th when he took charge - we haven't been 11th best since he took charge - this is fake news. Brian Rice may be a better manager than McIntyre, but we didn't appoint Brian Rice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted March 22, 2019 Author Share Posted March 22, 2019 15 minutes ago, hk blues said: He hasn't been great, granted. We were 12th when he took charge - we haven't been 11th best since he took charge - this is fake news. Brian Rice may be a better manager than McIntyre, but we didn't appoint Brian Rice. We've actually been 11th best since McIntyre took over. We've also conceded the 11th most (Just by 3 mind, but Hamilton have won 2 more games) and scored 10th most. Only St Mirren and Oran Kearney have performed worse than us since the day McIntyre was appointed. It's not fake news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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