Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Melanius Mullarkey]

7 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

When do you think the peak might be?

1...2...3...4

Weeks or months?

[Theroadlesstravelled]

Britain's death toll now higher than China's.

 

[Sergeant Wilson]

1 minute ago, Melanius Mullarkey said:

Weeks or months?

Not a Ramones fan then?

[Fullerene]

10 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

When do you think the peak might be?

1...2...3...4

I will have to check what Danny says.

[Theroadlesstravelled]

Be a ware

 

[madwullie]

Quite a lot of 5G idiocy appearing in various fb groups I'm in tonight. Fucking hell

[PauloPerth]

2 hours ago, virginton said:

The expert group already told the government in its report of February 26 that the NHS "will be unable to meet all demands" and advised that the following three measures would delay and reduce the peak of the outbreak:

- closing public schools

- "home isolation of symptomatic cases, for 13 weeks when enacted early"

- "voluntary household quarantine, for 13 weeks when enacted early"

It did not recommend adding social distancing policies for a similar time-frame as well because they believed that this would only lead to a second and bigger outbreak once it was lifted. The government didn't shut down the schools until fully three weeks later.

The various and completely illogical routes that each government has taken to get to this point shows political decision-making at work. And enacting a lockdown in a country that is already riddled with the virus is not the same policy as locking it down after a handful of cases. In Slovakia, for example, lockdown measures were enforced within days of their first confirmed cases: as a result, health officials expect the peak of their very slow burning outbreak to only occur in June/July rather than the April that western European states have been clinging to. Unless you can eliminate the chain of transmission entirely then governments face a range of outcomes that they  aim for with their policies, rather than having one set end point determined for them by the infallible model.

I agree completely in your point about every country being on the same page in this or a lot of the hardships populations' go through will be fairly futile.  It had to be a centrally coordinated approach, but too many egos for that to ever work.

I think Denmark, for example, were very early in locking everything down and have seen a low rate of infection and fatalities. But what's the end game for them? As soon as they lift restrictions, unless they guard all their borders night and day, they risk new infections on a population that has not built up immunity.  Aren't they just storing up the problem for further down the line, unless they plan on being in near lockdown for 18 months?

You've also got cultural differences to face. The Chinese, South Koreans and some other Asian  countries seem far more disciplined in dealing with separation and lockdown. I think the feeling in Britain was if you introduce it too early people will have had enough of it, and start ignoring the rules right around when the peak of infections occurs, leading to things getting out of control.

Only time will tell I guess.. 

[PauloPerth]

 

 

[Guest Moomintroll]

Quite a lot of 5G idiocy appearing in various fb groups I'm in tonight. Fucking hell

If they are only turning up now, you are blessed, I have had so much mentalism appearing over the last few days.

[Melanius Mullarkey]

30 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

Not a Ramones fan then?

Were they epidemiologists?

[Raven]

30 minutes ago, Fullerene said:

I will have to check what Danny says.

Corona not flu.

[Sergeant Wilson]

3 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkey said:

Were they epidemiologists?

They supported The Ramones at...insert fictional gig here.

[Cyclizine]

3 hours ago, Tynierose said:

Hi Wattoo I'm not getting at you here but the bit in bold irks me a bit, for some staff yes it will be quiet, it depends on where you work of course.  I've seen this from a few staff who work in areas where demand is no longer an issue.

The wards are quiet as nobody is being routinely operated on and admissions for general ailments are being kept to a minimum as we try to keep patients away from hospital . Critical care on the other hand is absolutely mental with extra care areas being set up.   It must be remembered that a different, higher set of skills are required for the kind of care currently being provided in both critical care areas and Gp land, and if you normally work in say a care of the elderly ward then you won't necessarily have the skill fit to work in these areas.

I know how busy critical care is just now with sadly a large number of younger patients in situ, plenty of whom have no pre-existing health conditions which is worrying.  The staff are working their arses off.

Primary care i.e Gp surgeries are also rammed with Gp's and ANP's being moved to Covid assessment centres plus trying to deal with normal patient workload while dealing with increased demands due to peoples anxiety levels going through the roof during this.  All the while this is with reduced staff due to sickness etc.

Staff are being moved from places like outpatients as their areas close to help out as best they can in other parts of the service.  

So for some people, yes, some areas of the hospital are quiet but cognisance of the service as a whole should be taken into account by these people when they're informing everyone how quiet they are, lucky them.   Most of the staff I know from different areas of the health service are fucking knackered.  So yes t might be quiet for some but the storm has already hit some parts of the service.  I dread to think what it will look like in a months time.

It's time for a Tennent's for me.

This on so many levels. I work in critical care. We have turned our 16 bed intensive care unit into Covid patients only and tuened our medical high dependency unit into a satellite ICU for non-covid patients. We have contingency plans to expand into theatres soon. All elective surgery is stopped. We have taken all anaesthetic trainees to critical care, leaving anaesthesia with skeleton staff. A black rota is running to ensure we have enough staff to cope with the projected sickness.

The hospital is filling up. The patients we're seeing are really sick and believe me, I'm used to dealing with really sick patients. They're not turning around quickly those that survive. I agree this is the quiet before the storm. We'll see in the next couple of weeks how successful the isolation measures have been. We seem to be a couple of weeks behind Italy and Spain and a week or so behind the south of England, where it sounds from from my colleagues down there.

This a reality, we haven't seen the worst of it yet, but I hope we can keep some semblance of control over it.

[Zen Archer (Raconteur)]

I wonder how she's getting on?

[Guest Moomintroll]

This on so many levels. I work in critical care. We have turned our 16 bed intensive care unit into Covid patients only and tuened our medical high dependency unit into a satellite ICU for non-covid patients. We have contingency plans to expand into theatres soon. All elective surgery is stopped. We have taken all anaesthetic trainees to critical care, leaving anaesthesia with skeleton staff. A black rota is running to ensure we have enough staff to cope with the projected sickness.
The hospital is filling up. The patients we're seeing are really sick and believe me, I'm used to dealing with really sick patients. They're not turning around quickly those that survive. I agree this is the quiet before the storm. We'll see in the next couple of weeks how successful the isolation measures have been. We seem to be a couple of weeks behind Italy and Spain and a week or so behind the south of England, where it sounds from from my colleagues down there.
This a reality, we haven't seen the worst of it yet, but I hope we can keep some semblance of control over it.

I don't have any words but keep doing what you are doing. Thanks for what I know you think is just your job.

[ICTJohnboy]

9 minutes ago, Zen Archer Esq. said:

I wonder how she's getting on?

 

She's got twin boys now.

Two of them.

[Jacksgranda]

6 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said:

 

She's got twin boys now.

Two of them.

Two twins. That's 4, then.

[Theroadlesstravelled]

https://www.businessinsider.com/3m-mask-shipment-to-berlin-germany-diverted-united-states-report-2020-4

Gie's yer 200,000 masks.

[PauloPerth]

2 hours ago, jagfox99 said:

 

That guy goes from being excellent to a bit of an idiot quite regularly during each video for me.

I like watching it because it really annoys me.

His simplified way of explaining medical stuff to a population of thickos is excellent, but then contrast that with his spelling mistakes, his pronunciation of 'expedential' growth and many others, and the way he now seems to feel his opinion is on a par with the head of the WHO.

Hes hit a winning formula with it though. Take a few random countries and print off the figures, regularly say how awful it is. Lockdown measures good. Non lockdown measures bad.  Figures for xxx in Europe are appalling. Name a random densely populated poorer country and say how concerned you are for them.  Bang, half million followers.

I think I like how much it annoys me.

That and Trump's evening conferences.

 

[heedthebaa]

1 hour ago, madwullie said:

Quite a lot of 5G idiocy appearing in various fb groups I'm in tonight. Fucking hell

Burn the 5G masts and save us all