Clyde01 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 What happens at the end of next season if Clyde aren't above Falkirk and Airdrie/Montrose/East Fife/ Dumbarton? Another vote for something else? Obviously not, this isn’t about Clyde, it’s about knowing what your playing for in advance of the season starting. If Clyde are towards the bottom of league one next season under my proposal and slipped into the bottom tier we could have zero complaints. The lines in the sand were clear from the off. That’s massively different to what’s being suggested now using this aborted seasons standings to craft new leagues in retrospect. The rest of your post was a bit of a word salad to be honest but a couple of points I would raise. 1. I am well aware of the financial repercussions of expanding the top flight and haven’t suggested expanding it beyond 14 at any time. 2. You do realise that not all our leagues need to be exactly the same size. We could easily have an 18 team middle or bottom tier in a 3 league system. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 40 minutes ago, kvz2000 said: Surely football means more than wishing a club relegated just because we are not close to the central belt , Stranraer are the 3 rd oldest club in Scotland and we work with the lowest budget in the league , we have to contend with the huge difficulties in being a rural club and with not a huge support yet we have been a very successful club thanks to the amazing work of our Chairman , committee , players and fans , we have survived in league 1 for many years , with some great spells .... and achievements, surviving in league 1 is a huge achievement in its own ..... we are also a very friendly club that always make our rivals most welcome , we have strong links to with community and do some wonderful work with schools and disadvantaged kids . Such a pity you have the views you have from your lofty position and I’m just glad I don’t share them ...... This is all true and Stranraer were also the only club to correctly vote against Sevco being allowed to slither into the national leagues in 2012 as well. Yet you quite clearly did not to deserve to stay in League One on the basis of your abysmal league record in 2019/20 and so the parade of toys thrown out of the pram about the SPFL's logical conclusion to the campaign has been baffling. I think that Stranraer have lost a lot of goodwill for their club with this response, even if they're only levelling with every other SPFL club in the self preservation stakes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadwell Dog Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 18 minutes ago, Cowden Cowboy said: It isn’t on SPFL notepaper What's this then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Clyde01 said: Obviously not, this isn’t about Clyde, it’s about knowing what your playing for in advance of the season starting. If Clyde are towards the bottom of league one next season under my proposal and slipped into the bottom tier we could have zero complaints. The lines in the sand were clear from the off. That’s massively different to what’s being suggested now using this aborted seasons standings to craft new leagues in retrospect. The rest of your post was a bit of a word salad to be honest but a couple of points I would raise. 1. I am well aware of the financial repercussions of expanding the top flight and haven’t suggested expanding it beyond 14 at any time. 2. You are aware that not all our leagues need to be exactly the same size. We could easily have an 18 team middle or bottom tier in a 3 league system. Correct. Any league reconstruction proposal put forward should have a non-negotiable start date at the beginning of the 21-22 campaign. Next season should be a transition year, which might well be needed given the extreme uncertainty about social distancing and future lockdown measures anyway. If a chief executive of a certain club (Budge, A) can't live with that sensible implementation period then they're not actually interested in reconstruction for the greater good, it's that simple. And then they should be escorted out of the committee. Edited April 28, 2020 by vikingTON 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kvz2000 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Null and void will be the final outcome ...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFC1878 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 It isn’t on SPFL notepaper Yes, it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 7 hours ago, monthe blues said: No team should be disavantaged by covid19 , the season should have been null and void, but you lot voted in favour of relegating teams, So do not expect any sympathy now 6 hours ago, monthe blues said: why should some gain from covid19 and some dont ,is that fair Why is it unfair for teams to be relegated but fair for teams to be denied promotion? If promotion and relegation were scrapped then Hearts, Partick and Stranraer would be gaining at the expense of Dundee United, Raith and Cove. There is no solution which doesn't disadvantage anyone. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Algorithms Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 1 hour ago, kvz2000 said: Surely football means more than wishing a club relegated just because we are not close to the central belt , Stranraer are the 3 rd oldest club in Scotland and we work with the lowest budget in the league , we have to contend with the huge difficulties in being a rural club and with not a huge support yet we have been a very successful club thanks to the amazing work of our Chairman , committee , players and fans , we have survived in league 1 for many years , with some great spells .... and achievements, surviving in league 1 is a huge achievement in its own ..... we are also a very friendly club that always make our rivals most welcome , we have strong links to with community and do some wonderful work with schools and disadvantaged kids . Such a pity you have the views you have from your lofty position and I’m just glad I don’t share them ...... Aside from the overwhelming birthday caird pish, every club has to look after itself which is why the overwhelming majority of clubs voted as they did to get the money paid out. As mentioned, it's great that your club does these things but so do most club at this level. You don't gain any extra points for strong links in the community. Stranraer are where they are on merit and while the current situation is unfortunate for a lot of clubs, there are always going to be clubs put to a disadvantaged. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Algorithms Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 22 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said: Why is it unfair for teams to be relegated but fair for teams to be denied promotion? If promotion and relegation were scrapped then Hearts, Partick and Stranraer would be gaining at the expense of Dundee United, Raith and Cove. There is no solution which doesn't disadvantage anyone. Mentioned this beforehand. Had the season been scrapped as null and void, we'd have gone from 8 games away from the title with a good chance of going up, to basically giving Falkirk the opportunity to gut their squad while we had budget cuts. There is winners and losers regardless of the situation. It would've been brutal for us had they decided that null and void was the way forward. Either way, hopefully we're back watching things being decided on the pitch sooner rather than later. Nobody wanted the current situation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 1 hour ago, kvz2000 said: Null and void will be the final outcome ...... You do realise that three leagues have champions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottydog Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Just now, Zen Archer Esq. said: You do realise that three leagues have champions. Dinnae waste yer time Davie, it's minutes of your life you're never getting back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFC1878 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 You do realise that three leagues have champions.What if the vote that resulted in these championships being awarded was found to be compromised? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, AFC1878 said: What if the vote that resulted in these championships being awarded was found to be compromised? The important vote is still to be had, the one you refer to wont matter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullyweehutch Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 So why all of a sudden is 14-14-14 the way to go when the clubs punted it to f**k in the 90's?Honestly I like the current set up with playoffs up and down in all leagues giving excitement. If you have these 14's eith splits then let's be honest itll be the same teams in the same sections (with slight variations) over and over then everyone will moan again. Why should multiple teams be damaged by this to save Hearts? I suppose if we are going to be shafted then why dont we throw the toys out and threaten legal action like hearts? If we do that then and only then will we get a seat st the table. f**k reconstruction 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haufdaft Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 3 hours ago, kvz2000 said: I love it , all of a sudden Clyde fans are paying attention , you were one of the untouched teams not caring about relegating teams before playing all games but now it’s a totally different scenario....... I’m fed up saying that all league 1 teams need to stick together and help each other’s case , we are stronger together and vote together until we get a decent resolution for us all I think if you looked at my previous posts I've always been an favour of null and void. Unfortunately that's not an option anymore. If it had been I doubt whether all the resultant shit would have happened at all. You'll even find a post from myself, a Clyde supporter, on the Thistle thread saying that I thought relegating them was unfair. So there's no hypocrisy from me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bullyweehutch Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 I also think bottom of league 2 should automatically go down and the highland and Lowland league champions fight it out over 2 legs. A true pyramid 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUMBER 7 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 If you have 10 team leagues, which I don’t like, only the 2nd and 3rd should be in the playoffs 4th from 10 shouldn’t be getting in Play Offs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AL-FFC Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, bullyweehutch said: So why all of a sudden is 14-14-14 the way to go when the clubs punted it to f**k in the 90's? Honestly I like the current set up with playoffs up and down in all leagues giving excitement. If you have these 14's eith splits then let's be honest itll be the same teams in the same sections (with slight variations) over and over then everyone will moan again. Why should multiple teams be damaged by this to save Hearts? I suppose if we are going to be shafted then why dont we throw the toys out and threaten legal action like hearts? If we do that then and only then will we get a seat st the table. f**k reconstruction Fraser Wishart on Clyde 1 tonight saying 60 per cent of the players want 3 leagues of 14 the reasoning being that they are bored facing the same sides over and over. Personally i think the 3 leagues of 14 is to help the clubs at the bottom of league 2 (same clubs that languish there each season) and prevent them from being relegated to the lowland league and basically make the SPFL a close shop which is a bit shit for the likes of the Shire and Berwick Rangers as they have no way back up barring a club going tits up. Edited April 28, 2020 by AL-FFC 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest_Fifer Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 So why all of a sudden is 14-14-14 the way to go when the clubs punted it to f**k in the 90's?Honestly I like the current set up with playoffs up and down in all leagues giving excitement. If you have these 14's eith splits then let's be honest itll be the same teams in the same sections (with slight variations) over and over then everyone will moan again. Why should multiple teams be damaged by this to save Hearts? I suppose if we are going to be shafted then why dont we throw the toys out and threaten legal action like hearts? If we do that then and only then will we get a seat st the table. f**k reconstruction 14 14 14 playing 3 times was pish. A 7-7 or 8-6 split would be preferable, gets round the uneven home/away split, and gives more variety of games. If you had 2 up and 2 down, that would mix things as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 22 minutes ago, bullyweehutch said: I also think bottom of league 2 should automatically go down and the highland and Lowland league champions fight it out over 2 legs. A true pyramid You're nearly there with the ideal set up. Club 42 goes down automatically and the Premiership playoff falls into line with the rest of the leagues. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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