Sparticus Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 minute ago, JTS98 said: To be honest, if you can't see the shortcomings in the post referred to, then I think you do. But all i've done is remind someone that the league voted to complete the season? Please point out the shortcoming? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JTS98 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Sparticus said: But all i've done is remind someone that the league voted to complete the season? Please point out the shortcoming? The Hibs.net post implied no difference between the listed seasons of clubs being promoted and relegated and this season. There is quite clearly a difference. I think even most people who disagree with Hearts' stance would see the shortcomings of saying: "How come Hearts didn't have a problem with relegation in 2015 but they do now". I'm pretty sure you're at it though. Nobody could miss such an obvious point except through effort. Have a nice day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 I get the impression for Ann Budge, 'in summary' is referencing the time of year.Makes a John Nelms statement look succinct. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparticus Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, JTS98 said: The Hibs.net post implied no difference between the listed seasons of clubs being promoted and relegated and this season. There is quite clearly a difference. I think even most people who disagree with Hearts' stance would see the shortcomings of saying: "How come Hearts didn't have a problem with relegation in 2015 but they do now". I'm pretty sure you're at it though. Nobody could miss such an obvious point except through effort. Have a nice day. I still dont see my shortcoming.i never said anything about the hibs.net post as i said before. I'm not at anything.You replied to a post i wasnt even posting to you. Have a nice day. Chicken Dinner. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Day Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 6 minutes ago, JTS98 said: Have a nice day To be fair, the weather is a bit crap but this is still turning into quite a memorable weekend..................... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SJP79 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Kelty and Brora should still get the chance for a playoff to face Brechin for a place in L2 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lex Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Least Hearts and their fans are taking the news of their relegation with grace and dignity. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Tunbridge Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Kelty and Brora should still get the chance for a playoff to face Brechin for a place in L2 They should and but they won’t for all the reasons already stated as to why this season won’t start back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SJP79 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Scotty Tunbridge said: They should and but they won’t for all the reasons already stated as to why this season won’t start back. Why could'nt these games be done at a later date ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenHibee Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, JTS98 said: Not sure if you're at the wind-up or if you genuinely don't see why a comparison with absolutely none of those seasons is in any way relevant to the current situation. A bizarre post. Quite worrying someone could read that and conclude that it is 'nail on the head' stuff. It's in no way relevant. Had any of those season been cut short at almost no notice, however, it would be 'nail on the head'. But it's not. The person who wrote it does not grasp the nature of Hearts' grievance, and it seems you don't either. The point is though that Hearts are bombarding the leagues with statements that their attempt for league reconstruction is purely for the good of the game and completely altruistic. A shameful, thinly-veiled and utter lie. Hearts are acting purely out of self-interest, nothing else. If Hearts had not lost 1-0 to St Mirren (god bless Obika, by the way) there were be sweet nothingness coming out of Tynecastle right now. If Hearts admitted their true motive, everyone would have a lot more respect for them. Instead, everyone resents the club now and just want them sent down and to move on as swiftly as possible during the biggest crises to hit our game. FYI I would have been in favour of long-term reconstruction. It does make sense but Anne Budge has made an utter pigs ear of trying to railroad it through (and revealing her hand early-doors of temporary reconstruction was as bad a tactical error you will ever see from an SPFL club boardroom). Edited May 10, 2020 by AberdeenHibee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 8 minutes ago, Lex said: Least Hearts and their fans are taking the news of their relegation with their usual grace and dignity. Hope you don't mind, just a minor amend to that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, SJP79 said: Why could'nt these games be done at a later date ? When? Are you suggesting just prior to any new season. How would any of the teams be able to budget if they don't know what division they'll be in until then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparticus Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 17 minutes ago, SJP79 said: Why could'nt these games be done at a later date ? Teams will then have numerous players out of contract. The season has been voted to complete by the clubs anyway and has Uefas backing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trackdaybob Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 hour ago, RandomGuy. said: The top flight has just remained open due to UEFA guidelines, and they can now declare the season over, by average points, at any point. So, we're 6th right?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JTS98 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 26 minutes ago, AberdeenHibee said: The point is though that Hearts are bombarding the leagues with statements that their attempt for league reconstruction is purely for the good of the game and completely altruistic. A shameful, thinly-veiled and utter lie. Be that as it may, how on earth does the post you copy and pasted from Hibs.net back that up? It simply makes utterly flawed and pointless comparisons with other seasons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, JTS98 said: Be that as it may, how on earth does the post you copy and pasted from Hibs.net back that up? It simply makes utterly flawed and pointless comparisons with other seasons. Bottom line is Budge can whine all she likes about reconstruction being dingied, but she was the one putting forward an utterly rotten reconstruction "solution" that really only benefited her club. How can she be so myopic to not realise that.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JTS98 Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Ric said: Bottom line is Budge can whine all she likes about reconstruction being dingied, but she was the one putting forward an utterly rotten reconstruction "solution" that really only benefited her club. How can she be so myopic to not realise that.. Ok. And how is that point made by referring to seasons played to a finish as normal? It's quite a bizarre thing. Basically the point of that Hibs.net post is "How come in exceptional circumstances Hearts want something unusual to happen when in normal circumstances they never asked for something unusual to happen?' Even by the standards of a football forum it is brain-dead nonsense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, JTS98 said: Be that as it may, how on earth does the post you copy and pasted from Hibs.net back that up? It simply makes utterly flawed and pointless comparisons with other seasons. If you're saying other seasons are irrelevant, then you're tacitly admitting that reconstruction isn't there to fix any structural problems with the league competition in general, it's just a temporary quick fix to stop Hearts getting relegated, on the grounds that you think the way this season panned out is unfair. Changing something permanently for a temporary problem is surely not right. So why fix something that isn't broken? Surely voiding the season is the correct temporary fix, since it keeps the competition intact while actually being the temporary quick fix to the one-off problem with the season. It does have it's own issues of course, since you're nuking 3/4 of a season over a relative handful of unplayed games, and it comes with problems related to competition winnings and European places. And of course, once you agree that both options are bad options, then you can throw in the third bad option (call the season as-is and relegate/promote as applicable) and argue over which of the three bad options is the least-bad bad option. And that argument has already taken place and the answer is that option 3 won out. So it goes. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparticus Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 Hearts want something unusual to happen, everyone else doesnt. Lets thank the wee man we live in a democracy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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