Steve_Wilkos Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 23 minutes ago, Angusfifer said: I suspect the only ones who didn't find that scene hilarious were brain dead bigots themselves 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Todd_is_God said: Was Love Thy Neighbour not similar? An attempt to highlight the ridiculous racism in society at the time rather than legitimise it? I can barely remember Love thy neighbour, I think it was a coarser in its humour/more Bernard Manningesque than Till Death was. Though I'm sure that the white guy usually did end up with egg on his face. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 hour ago, hk blues said: How about Porridge where Ronnie Barker constantly ripped the piss out of Fulton MacKay being Scottish? I thought that was hilarious. Do you think some might have found it offensive? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 3 hours ago, invergowrie arab said: I'm not sure people ever could. There an interview with Warren Mitchell where someone congratulates him for having a go at the blacks and he has to explain it for them. No matter how well intentioned the writing, if some folk are tuning in just to laugh at wog jokes you have to question it. It's a bit like the pub landlord which was started to ridicule little Englander attitudes and ends up being a huge success because Brexiteers get to come and laugh at jokes about the Krauts and frogs guilt free. I'm not saying the answer is to ban everything (apart from Al Murray he really is shit) but to say you are actually lampooning racism whilst black kids get the hard end of it in school the next day isn't enough. 3 hours ago, Jambomo said: I think the problem with shows like that, and to some extent Little Britain, is that whatever the intention of the writers, it ultimately heavily depends on the audience being able to tell the difference. I think for every person laughing at the racist or homophobic character, there is probably another one not getting the joke and laughing along with them at the funny bigoted comments they are making. These ideas are just reinforced and legitimised because they are on TV, and people think that they aren’t the only ones thinking these things, so they must have a point. Both reasonable points of view. I really can't add much more than in my view Garnett was good well observed parody and Love they Neighbour wasnt. How do you cater to a mass market where perceptions will vary. Eg. I was telling a mate about This Country, which is a brilliant reflection of that part of England and the characters found there. My mate said he didn't like it "they were thick" and he didn't think I'd like such a basic programme. He only saw it as two thick teenagers talking rubbish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 "BLM aim to destroy our history, culture, religion and pave the way for a Marxist takeover." Sounds fucking awesome 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Joe Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 2 hours ago, throbber said: Nothing to see here just a spot of racist hate speech from old Nigel. Since when did Farage's "history, culture and religion" relate to Baptists in New York State? What a prize fud. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 34 minutes ago, AsimButtHitsASix said: "BLM aim to destroy our history, culture, religion and pave the way for a Marxist takeover." Sounds fucking awesome Did his best bud Trump not say pretty much this in his 4th July speech? Just following orders in spreading the hate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raidernation Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Whitehouse herself was a horrible bigot. Her views on homosexuality etc were like something out the old testament. Hey, you, Whitehouse, haha charade you are. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raidernation Posted July 7, 2020 Share Posted July 7, 2020 Trump has also tweeted he’ll protect the statue of Christ the Redeemer in Rio from BLM folks [emoji23] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Waldo Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 "BLM aim to destroy our history, culture, religion and pave the way for a Marxist takeover" Farage is a clown, but if that is classed as 'hate speech' thn we are well and truly gubbed. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 On 07/07/2020 at 11:49, hk blues said: How about Porridge where Ronnie Barker constantly ripped the piss out of Fulton MacKay being Scottish? 23 hours ago, ICTJohnboy said: I thought that was hilarious. Do you think some might have found it offensive? Offensive? As any other stereotype, some might take offence, but most would just see it as more just lazy comedy shorthand. I must say, though, having spent over two decades locking up criminals in Englandshire, being referred to as Mr McKay got old pretty damn quick. Not offensive, just boring. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 29 minutes ago, Mr Waldo said: "BLM aim to destroy our history, culture, religion and pave the way for a Marxist takeover" Farage is a clown, but if that is classed as 'hate speech' thn we are well and truly gubbed. No, if such as yourself look at that and don't see a problem with it, we are well and truly gubbed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: No, if such as yourself look at that and don't see a problem with it, we are well and truly gubbed. Are all problems hate speech? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 28 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said: Offensive? As any other stereotype, some might take offence, but most would just see it as more just lazy comedy shorthand. I must say, though, having spent over two decades locking up criminals in Englandshire, being referred to as Mr McKay got old pretty damn quick. Not offensive, just boring. I guess I can understand why some of the humour in Porridge might have been lost on you, Mr McKay. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Something occurred to me as I read about the case of the Olympic athlete and the stop and search thing. See no matter what gets done, protests, high profile policy changes, whatever....I hope I am wrong but see throughout all of this and byond in the UK and the US especially, Police officers at all levels in their briefings are still going to be getting whispered into their ear, in veiled language or clear, "black people commit more crimes". There will be someone at a high level looking at stats, refusing to acknowledge that they have a part to play in moving society forward and just saying, this is how it is, react accordingly. Quite a depressing thought, but it seems so obvious that it will be the case. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Saw that Farage thing and made this 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 I'm not entirely convinced that the blm movement was created solely for racism issues and feel that they're divisive and that they are somewhat immune to criticism because it leads to more division and labelling of people.Still stand on my points that wanting equality of outcome isn't a long term fix and is quite dangerous and divisive in its thinking.To me the issue lies in poverty and equal chance of opportunity. This is harder to fix and will take time. Will also state that farage is using this for his own agenda as before with immigration. I really don't want to say much more or get into arguements but I feel that the issue isn't as straight forward and easy to fix as people make out. I do feel that wanting equality of outcome is pretty insulting and simplyfying an entire race or group of people as the same. Sounds a bit racist to me. Feel like the entire discussion of 'are you sure this is the right way?' gets shut down straight away despite proof that it hasn't worked for decades. Example Diversity within the american police force, its still corrupt and full of racism and black people are treated badly and unfairly.So what's the answer? I dunno, maybe try and help communities out of poverty through education and removing drugs and gang culture?The police are there for a reason and that needs changed.Removing the police would be a nightmare for these communities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 1 minute ago, D.A.F.C said: I'm not entirely convinced that the blm movement was created solely for racism issues and feel that they're divisive and that are somewhat immune to criticism because it leads to more division and labelling of people. Still stand on my points that wanting equality of outcome isn't a long term fix and is quite dangerous and divisive in its thinking. To me the issue lies in poverty and equal chance of opportunity. This is harder to fix and will take time. Will also state that farage is using this for his own agenda as before with immigration. I really don't want to say much more or get into arguements but I feel that the issue isn't as straight forward and easy to fix as people make out. I do feel that wanting equality of outcome is pretty insulting and simplyfying an entire race or group of people as the same. Sounds a bit racist to me. Feel like the entire discussion of 'are you sure this is the right way?' gets shut down straight away despite proof that it hasn't worked for decades. Example Diversity within the american police force, its still corrupt and full of racism and black people are treated badly and unfairly. So what's the answer? I dunno, maybe try and help communities out of poverty through education and removing drugs and gang culture? The police are there for a reason and that needs changed. Removing the police would be a nightmare for these communities. Absolutely gobsmacked that no one has thought to try this so far. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 Absolutely gobsmacked that no one has thought to try this so far. Would really need to ask someone from the poorest black neighbourhoods in america what they thought of this to get a real answer tbh.Politicians would say they have but I'm pretty sure drug, murder and crime rates will have gone up.Fix this, offer a way out that's achievable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted July 8, 2020 Share Posted July 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said: Would really need to ask someone from the poorest black neighbourhoods in america what they thought of this to get a real answer tbh. Politicians would say they have but I'm pretty sure drug, murder and crime rates will have gone up. Fix this, offer a way out that's achievable. Mate, I know you're genuinely trying to engage with the issue. And it's important to find ways of countering structural racism more than anything else, of course. But all of the things you have mentioned have been attempted, for decades. They haven't worked because many, if not most, institutions in the USA are a part of structural racism. So the argument is in order to counter this, you have to remake those institutions (by, for example, defunding and reforming the police). People don't want to be "offered a way out" of their community, they want their community to have services, dignity and to be safe. At the moment, much of the government does not do this. And I'm sorry, but saying BLM are immune from criticism is nonsense. They are frequently criticised across the media by people from many different sides. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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