Skyline Drifter Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Smokie_Bacon_crisps said: This came up last season as well. I think it is the club's choice if they offer playoff games on their season ticket or not. They obviously have to then pay any difference from the gate out of their own fund, but Arbroath offered it last season and again included it this season. The Premiership playoffs are different. Clubs can do what they like in the two lots of lower division playoffs, which is presumably what Arbroath were talking about. The home club keeps the entire gate in those and can let season ticket holders in if it wants. The League rules expressly say they cannot do that in the Premiership playoffs where half the gate goes to the SPFL to fund the parachute payment for the relegated side. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokie_Bacon_crisps Posted August 5, 2020 Author Share Posted August 5, 2020 Ah okay - Thank you for clarifying 17 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said: The Premiership playoffs are different. Clubs can do what they like in the two lots of lower division playoffs, which is presumably what Arbroath were talking about. The home club keeps the entire gate in those and can let season ticket holders in if it wants. The League rules expressly say they cannot do that in the Premiership playoffs where half the gate goes to the SPFL to fund the parachute payment for the relegated side. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 9 minutes ago, Smokie_Bacon_crisps said: Ah okay - Thank you for clarifying It's entirely possible Arbroath themselves don't realise that. Unless you've been in them it's not the kind of thing you pay much attention to I guess. The League have always been entitled to half the income from them but it was initially up to clubs what they charged, Rule C26A on minimum pricing and rule C26B regarding season tickets were added after the League fell out with Rangers over how the game should be charged (Rangers charged everyone £5 for their home game after the SPFL told them they couldn't let season ticket holders in free): Quote C26A Except with the consent of the Board which may, in exceptional circumstances and on cause shown, permit, in the case of an individual Premiership/Championship Play-Off Match or Matches, that alternative minimum price or prices to be charged by the relevant Home Club, the minimum prices for ground admission that must be charged by a Home Club for tickets to and/or admission of spectators to a Premiership/Championship Play-Off Match at its Home Ground shall be: (i) other than for ties in the final round of such Play-Off Matches in any Season - adults: £12.00 per person; (ii) for ties in the final round of such Play-Off Matches in any Season - adults: £18.00 per person; (iii) other than for ties in the final round of such Play-Off Matches in any Season - juveniles, senior citizens and all other concessionary ticket admissions: £6.00 per person; and (iv) for ties in the final round of such Play-Off Matches in any Season - juveniles, senior citizens and all other concessionary ticket admissions: £12.00 per person. C26B Clubs shall not include or provide for admission to a Premiership/Championship Play-Off Match within any ‘season ticket’, ‘season book’ or like or equivalent arrangement sold or otherwise issued by any Club in relation to any Season, part of any Season or other series of matches. All spectator admissions to a Premiership/Championship Play-Off Match, whether ticketed or not, must be individually charged for at least at the minimum prices specified above or, as the case may be, alternative minimum permitted price or prices consented to by the Board. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 2 hours ago, Skyline Drifter said: The Premiership playoffs are different. Clubs can do what they like in the two lots of lower division playoffs, which is presumably what Arbroath were talking about. The home club keeps the entire gate in those and can let season ticket holders in if it wants. The League rules expressly say they cannot do that in the Premiership playoffs where half the gate goes to the SPFL to fund the parachute payment for the relegated side. I was not aware of this. Thanks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted August 5, 2020 Share Posted August 5, 2020 On 03/08/2020 at 08:47, stu2910 said: Exactly. Reckon capacity is much more likely to be 25% than 50% and maybe even lower at some grounds. Think we are at about 2000 sold which would put us at about 17%, with our more usual 3500 being 30%. Missed this post before...we knocked around some figures for a while on a couple of threads, and the general concensus was that most venues could allow about 15-18% capacity with some form of 1-2m social distancing in place. The biggest variables were seating technique and groups. After running through various permutations that could see up to about 35% capacity, the eventual sticking point was always entry, exit and movement within the venus. Until the "tests" that were discussed occur and some form of direction as to the actual requirements are issued, its pretty much impossible to determine how many might be allowed at a game and exactly how a particular venue might be configured to maximize possible attendance. Some facilities have options that others don't because of access points and comfort facilities, others are limited primarily by a lack of multiple seating locations, which inherently causes crowding at certain points and will require careful planning and seating assignments. I suspect that most season ticket holders will cheerfully accept any spot in the stands for a game just to start moving past this crap, but there will certainly be some grumbling in those location where ST takeup exceeds available capacity for the most popular games. Where that occurs, the proiority considerations would be interesting...do you allow the longest holders, the first renewers, the biggest group buyers or whomever the first crack at the popular game(s), and would you rotate assignments/choices. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazz1903 Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 (edited) This might be just me ? but £20 to watch Ayr Utd v QOS ? no wonder our grounds are empty these prices are mad , fans just wont pay this. Not just Ayr but most clubs in Scotland . look at how EMPTY this is . Edited August 6, 2020 by tazz1903 upload 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolph Hucker Posted August 6, 2020 Share Posted August 6, 2020 (edited) Think you’ll find that grounds are even emptier at the moment, mate, and it’s got nothing to do with pricing. .......but if you think the price you quoted was bad, I suggest you avoid finding out what Hearts will be charging for Championship matches this season....... Edited August 6, 2020 by Rudolph Hucker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 22 hours ago, tazz1903 said: This might be just me ? but £20 to watch Ayr Utd v QOS ? no wonder our grounds are empty these prices are mad , fans just wont pay this. Not just Ayr but most clubs in Scotland . Except some will. The inherent problems faced by fitba are that of competing interests and attracting fans. The more hardcore fans find £20 reasonably acceptable as they understand that prices will rise over time, however this is pricing the casual fan out of willingness to attend. That’s why teams roll out incentivized pricing for youth and child attendees, trying to build future fans who feel invested enough in the team to pay for those £20 tickets. Any number of teams have tried boosting attendance by dropping prices, only to lose money because not enough extra attendees appear to offset the loss of income from the attending hardcore fans. Season tickets are currently configured in a way that doesn’t really provide a price advantage oof you miss more than one or two games, which is due to similar calculations as the PATG tickets. Hopfully, with the move to season ticket cards in place of coupon books teams will allow teams to be more creative with the idea of partial season plans. Something like offering a random 1/2 of the games for 55% of a full season ticket price and such might interest those fans who aren’t willing to pay for a full season ticket because they know they will miss at least 4-5 games. They key for teams is keeping the prices down as much as practical to keep the fans attending but to try to widen that possible base a little. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazz1903 Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 1 hour ago, TxRover said: Except some will. The inherent problems faced by fitba are that of competing interests and attracting fans. The more hardcore fans find £20 reasonably acceptable as they understand that prices will rise over time, however this is pricing the casual fan out of willingness to attend. That’s why teams roll out incentivized pricing for youth and child attendees, trying to build future fans who feel invested enough in the team to pay for those £20 tickets. Any number of teams have tried boosting attendance by dropping prices, only to lose money because not enough extra attendees appear to offset the loss of income from the attending hardcore fans. Season tickets are currently configured in a way that doesn’t really provide a price advantage oof you miss more than one or two games, which is due to similar calculations as the PATG tickets. Hopfully, with the move to season ticket cards in place of coupon books teams will allow teams to be more creative with the idea of partial season plans. Something like offering a random 1/2 of the games for 55% of a full season ticket price and such might interest those fans who aren’t willing to pay for a full season ticket because they know they will miss at least 4-5 games. They key for teams is keeping the prices down as much as practical to keep the fans attending but to try to widen that possible base a little. Thanks for the reply mate , have we seen an increase in younger fans attending lower league games ? Not really , it seems the the old hardcore are dying away , I really think we are over paying for matches , players expect clubs to pay wages that people earn in a month that some player expect a week , Its ridiculous really , 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted August 7, 2020 Share Posted August 7, 2020 2 hours ago, tazz1903 said: Thanks for the reply mate , have we seen an increase in younger fans attending lower league games ? Not really , it seems the the old hardcore are dying away , I really think we are over paying for matches , players expect clubs to pay wages that people earn in a month that some player expect a week , Its ridiculous really , There’s no winning, under the current formula. Until some form of revenue sharing occurs, the vast majority of Scottish teams will be reliant upon gate revenues. As the fans die or become unable to attend, revenue streams will continue to slowly decline and a number of teams will collapse. Some smaller sides, perhaps with owners with deep pockets, will step up, but the rot will continue until a satisfactorily small number of “professional” sides remain. It’s a brave new world, and one in which local live sports have less pull. Some teams have found ways to involve fans, some still bang the same old drums, regardless the storms on the horizon are drawing closer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted August 18, 2020 Share Posted August 18, 2020 On 06/08/2020 at 20:56, tazz1903 said: This might be just me ? but £20 to watch Ayr Utd v QOS ? no wonder our grounds are empty these prices are mad , fans just wont pay this. Not just Ayr but most clubs in Scotland . look at how EMPTY this is . 2,231 isn't bad for Perthshire in the middle of the Grouse Shooting Season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tam the bud Posted August 21, 2020 Share Posted August 21, 2020 Decide to just to pop down here and see what the prices are for auld guys like myself. Very surprise to see a number of clubs charging more than what i pay to watch Saints. £143 for me as an OAP for 19 home games. £7.53 a game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutankhamen Posted September 22, 2020 Share Posted September 22, 2020 How many season tickets would Alloa sell? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZingaliMan Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 On 06/08/2020 at 20:56, tazz1903 said: This might be just me ? but £20 to watch Ayr Utd v QOS ? no wonder our grounds are empty these prices are mad , fans just wont pay this. Not just Ayr but most clubs in Scotland . look at how EMPTY this is . To stream St Johnstone games for away fans is £17.00 Livingston £20.00 Ross County £15. Most other clubs are around £12.00. Some clubs mentioned are very steep to watch a streamed game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 On 06/08/2020 at 20:56, tazz1903 said: This might be just me ? but £20 to watch Ayr Utd v QOS ? no wonder our grounds are empty these prices are mad , fans just wont pay this. Not just Ayr but most clubs in Scotland . look at how EMPTY this is . Was £18 for the same thing last season, for me I'm happy with the round figure and don't think it makes a difference. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCR Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Aye, Ann Budge just loves a meddle.............. It’s been like that since the 90’s if I recall correctly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted December 7, 2020 Share Posted December 7, 2020 On 02/08/2020 at 20:13, craigkillie said: Hearts don't typically sell those lower tier seats to most clubs, and I bet it's the same in the Championship in the coming season.. Well you've been proved correct so far Well done 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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