Sergeant Wilson Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Detective Jimmy McNulty said: A real head scratcher this one. "Are you embarrassed"? You couldn't give her a rid neck with a blow torch. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, Detective Jimmy McNulty said: I don't think that it's surprising that Carlson and Fox want to make this about culture wars tbh, but the 'anything less than hating Putin is treason' thing certainly rings true in some Western political and journalism circles. There's still some bizarre thinking in the West that Russia and Putin are evil commies who will come and steal all your wealth in the night, the irony being that Putins Russia is more Right wing capitalist than even the Yanks and ourselves. That said, I've never understood why working class people would fear or hate the idea of a socialist state in any case !! We all know why that terrifies the aristocracy and ruling classes but for the ordinary punter, no, I just don't get it at all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 The right love Uncle Vlad. https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-connections-to-the-alt-right-2016-11?r=US&IR=T 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 There's still some bizarre thinking in the West that Russia and Putin are evil commies who will come and steal all your wealth in the night, the irony being that Putins Russia is more Right wing capitalist than even the Yanks and ourselves. That said, I've never understood why working class people would fear or hate the idea of a socialist state in any case !! We all know why that terrifies the aristocracy and ruling classes but for the ordinary punter, no, I just don't get it at all.Because I am better than the homeless/the person in the council house/the person in the flats/the person in the semi-detached house and I want to keep it that way because I've worked hard and they're all scum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, accies1874 said: 24 minutes ago, WATTOO said: There's still some bizarre thinking in the West that Russia and Putin are evil commies who will come and steal all your wealth in the night, the irony being that Putins Russia is more Right wing capitalist than even the Yanks and ourselves. That said, I've never understood why working class people would fear or hate the idea of a socialist state in any case !! We all know why that terrifies the aristocracy and ruling classes but for the ordinary punter, no, I just don't get it at all. Because I am better than the homeless/the person in the council house/the person in the flats/the person in the semi-detached house and I want to keep it that way because I've worked hard and they're all scum. Yes, there are a few like that but I like to think that the majority in Scotland actually have the opposite outlook and tend to look out for one another as opposed to screwing people over. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 42 minutes ago, Detournement said: He's doing the Muhammad Ali argument about Vietnam to make it a race issue. I get why Ali didn't want to go, especially during the 60's. I'm not sure Tucker is doing the same. I think it's more a political issue and just pursuing the Democrats are the real issue here type thing 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 32 minutes ago, WATTOO said: the irony being that Putins Russia is more Right wing capitalist than even the Yanks and ourselves. It really depends on how you measure these things. If it's a wealthy establishment elite who rule on behalf of corporations and vested interests, then the answer is 'all of the above' rather than just 'Russia'. On stuff like free health care, unemployment and maternity benefits, public housing and so on, Russia is pretty much in line with the West, give or take. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, 101 said: I get why Ali didn't want to go, especially during the 60's. I'm not sure Tucker is doing the same. I think it's more a political issue and just pursuing the Democrats are the real issue here type thing It’s Occam’s razor. Tucker will say anything for money. At one point, around the time of the Bring Me The Head of Roger Stone documentary, he was a relatively sensible - if right wing and superficial - talking head. He was one of the few actually critical of the Trump/disappearing server conspiracy theorist wing. Those people somehow made it into positions of influence, and so he changed his position. He’s continued the act because Trumpy boy is still waiting in the wings for 2024. TL;DR: he’s not a complete idiot unlike Lou Dobbs or Sean Hannity, but his sole motivation is money. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 2 hours ago, coprolite said: ...Obviously the whole situation was in the context of genocide... That's what we were told at the time but it's very dubious on closer inspection. Slobo was up to no good but western media reports were grossly exaggerated. It's important to remember that the KLA were no choirboys as well on ethnic cleansing once the boot was on the other foot and that the Kosovo that gained western recognition as an independent state was far from being a multiethnic shangri-la of tolerance. It's close to impossible for Serbs to live safely in most of Kosovo even to this day, while there are still plenty of ethnic Albanians living in Serbia and a large Bosnian Muslim population was able to live there in the Sandzak region right through the conflict in Bosnia. The reason genocide gets talked up a lot in contexts like that (Vlad was at it a few days back where the Donbass is concerned) is that it makes military intervention legal in international law terms under the Genocide Convention. Whether anything is happening that actually fits the definition is another matter entirely. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Savage Henry said: It’s Occam’s razor. Tucker will say anything for money. At one point, around the time of the Bring Me The Head of Roger Stone documentary, he was a relatively sensible - if right wing and superficial - talking head. He was one of the few actually critical of the Trump/disappearing server conspiracy theorist wing. Those people somehow made it into positions of influence, and so he changed his position. He’s continued the act because Trumpy boy is still waiting in the wings for 2024. TL;DR: he’s not a complete idiot unlike Lou Dobbs or Sean Hannity, but his sole motivation is money. I think you’re giving him a *bit* much credit. I wasn’t overly familiar with him at the time of ‘Stone’ but the more notable volte-face was Hannity who was very anti-Trump and pro Cruz during the GOP primaries. Tucker’s not short of cash, he’s heir to the Swanson frozen foods empire ($3bn or so). I’m more minded that it’s a combination of the right wing’s sycophancy towards perceived strongmen (notice his visit to Orban last year) and that he likely feels he’s got carte blanche to spout whatever after Fox won a court case with the defence that anyone taking him seriously wants their head reading. Edited February 23, 2022 by carpetmonster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 It's doing my head in trying to remember an actor who looked like the spitting image of a younger Putin. He played creepy villains with glasses in the 60s and 70s, with a kind of effete ingratiating manner, and a vaguely Eastern European accent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 David McCallum in the Man from Uncle? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, welshbairn said: It's doing my head in trying to remember an actor who looked like the spitting image of a younger Putin. He played creepy villains with glasses in the 60s and 70s, with a kind of effete ingratiating manner, and a vaguely Eastern European accent. Norman Lloyd? Especially his small part in Hitchcock's Saboteur. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 11 minutes ago, welshbairn said: It's doing my head in trying to remember an actor who looked like the spitting image of a younger Putin. He played creepy villains with glasses in the 60s and 70s, with a kind of effete ingratiating manner, and a vaguely Eastern European accent. A young Sidney Poitier? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fullerene Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 19 minutes ago, welshbairn said: It's doing my head in trying to remember an actor who looked like the spitting image of a younger Putin. He played creepy villains with glasses in the 60s and 70s, with a kind of effete ingratiating manner, and a vaguely Eastern European accent. Maybe Yul Brynner 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The DA Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 36 minutes ago, welshbairn said: It's doing my head in trying to remember an actor who looked like the spitting image of a younger Putin. He played creepy villains with glasses in the 60s and 70s, with a kind of effete ingratiating manner, and a vaguely Eastern European accent. Mads Mikkelsen? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmouth Strikes Again Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Dickie Attenborough? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 (edited) Might have been this guy, Tov Kronsteen. Not as striking a similarity as I was thinking of, and I think I was getting him a bit mixed up with Peter Lorre. Edited February 23, 2022 by welshbairn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MacDuffman Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 Usually when gammon types talk about the War they're going back to 1945 or 1918. This gimp is going back even further. Ben Walace the defence secretary, a former Scots Guards officer, said his regiment had "kicked the backside of Tsar Nicholas I in 1853 in Crimea" and "can always do it again". "Tsar Nicholas I made the same mistake Putin did... he had no friends, no alliances," he added. Oh dear, we're fucked. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 47 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: David McCallum in the Man from Uncle? Not far off.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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