Dunning1874 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, Lex said: True, but that role doesn't attract the same scrutiny as party leader and first minister does, the leader of the SNP group at Westminster has no real power outside the party. Wouldn't see Mhairi Black making emotional tweets about him infringing on her rights, like she did with Forbes. Kate is certainly the most competent and would have won, if it wasn't for her religion. Probably because he has never expressed any intention to do so, because you can be religious without doing so. Which would lead to the conclusion that the issue isn't a politician being religious, but a politician holding bigoted views. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General dissaray Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: It wasn't her religion, it was how she expressed it. Plenty devout Catholic approve of contraception and abortion where necessary. Her views on contraception is exactly the same in Islam that Mr Yosuf follows so there is no difference 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Lex said: True, but that role doesn't attract the same scrutiny as party leader and first minister does, the leader of the SNP group at Westminster has no real power outside the party. Wouldn't see Mhairi Black making emotional tweets about him infringing on her rights, like she did with Forbes. Kate is certainly the most competent and would have won, if it wasn't for her religion. Where does the idea that Forbes is competent come from? That she managed to read out Nicola's budget without falling over? She was a over-promoted because her boss was a wrong'un and basically there was no other stand out candidate. There is nothing in her record that says she is good or bad at her job. In fact the way she started her campaign showed that she was wildly incompetent. Poor politics in taking the line she did with her religious attitudes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzler Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Dunning1874 said: Probably because he has never expressed any intention to do so, because you can be religious without doing so. Which would lead to the conclusion that the issue isn't a politician being religious, but a politician holding bigoted views. would go one stage further and say the issue would then be expressing bigoted views 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Anyway congrats to Humza on being the first openly REPUBLICAN first minister. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, General dissaray said: Her views on contraception is exactly the same in Islam that Mr Yosuf follows so there is no difference It's nothing to do with her religion, it's how she said she would vote on social issues. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Jim McLean's Ghost said: Where does the idea that Forbes is competent come from? That she managed to read out Nicola's budget without falling over? She was a over-promoted because her boss was a wrong'un and basically there was no other stand out candidate. There is nothing in her record that says she is good or bad at her job. In fact the way she started her campaign showed that she was wildly incompetent. Poor politics in taking the line she did with her religious attitudes. This is the bit that gets me; her own team - and i quote verbatim - said she’d ‘fucked it’ after day one of the campaign. There’s not much about that screams ‘competence’ to me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Just now, welshbairn said: It wasn't her religion, it was how she expressed it. Plenty devout Catholic approve of contraception and abortion where necessary. She certainly didn't verbalise it very well. I'm quite tolerant of divergent views, I think its healthy to have divergence especially within a political party. In the first week of the campaign (before the deadline) I thought she should stand aside as she'd effectively run her race! She's done very well to get within touching distance of Humza but she's been playing catch up since then. I know Free church types and every one of them is perfectly kind and considerate. I expect Forbes is as well. She's certainly not what I would call bigoted but then I'd never refer to opponents as nazis (unless they actually were nazis!). Political discourse is in the gutter and nuance is dead. Its all literal interpretations, if you're against me you are the enemy and loads of rhetoric and misinformation/clickbait. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General dissaray Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, welshbairn said: It's nothing to do with her religion, it's how she said she would vote on social issues. Where as big Hamza told lies about gay marridge bill?And had pressure put on him by his mosque?And Alex Salmond exposed him on it then aye? Edited March 27, 2023 by General dissaray -11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzler Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 2 minutes ago, General dissaray said: Where as big Hamza told lies about gay marridge bill?And had pressure put on him by his mosque?And Alex Salmond exposed him on it then aye? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said: Probably because he has never expressed any intention to do so, because you can be religious without doing so. Which would lead to the conclusion that the issue isn't a politician being religious, but a politician holding bigoted views. Looking at the expression on her face as the result was being announced, it's hard to work out if Forbes prayed to win, or to lose. Highlights of the afternoon for me were firstly the expression on Regan's face during the announcements and the contrast between the embrace shared by Yousaf and Forbes and the formal handshake between Yousaf and Regan. She looked as if she had spent the afternoon sooking lemons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Just now, General dissaray said: Where as big Hanza told lies about gay marridge bill?And had pressure put on him by his mosque?And Alex Salmond exposed him on it then aye? He voted for it at previous stages and knew it would pass by a huge margin, and has backed it verbally whenever the issue arises since. It's not the gotcha you and Alex think it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General dissaray Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, Jim McLean's Ghost said: Anyway congrats to Humza on being the first openly REPUBLICAN first minister. Why would we want to come out off the commonwealth?We can still be Independent and have a mornarchy,if being in the commonwealth benefits us financially or with pensions ect ect 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) It deosnt matter anymore its all if and buts, Yousaf won. The easy bit was todays speech after winning, the hard work comes next. As Sturgeon showed soundbites and vague promises are easy, delivering something is a lot harder. I hope he focuses on what can be delivered and doesnt waste time on what sounds good now but cant be delivered later. Voters are fed up and want to see things get better now, if he deosnt do it a Labour UK government coming in after this tory shambles will. For a lot of people, Its the now thats more important. Edited March 27, 2023 by ScotiaNostra 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General dissaray Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: He voted for it at previous stages and knew it would pass by a huge margin, and has backed it verbally whenever the issue arises since. It's not the gotcha you and Alex think it is. So he never voted it through then?Total cop out lets keep a eye on it in future then,and we will see if he puts the country 1st or his religious ideology -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, General dissaray said: Why would we want to come out off the commonwealth?We can still be Independent and have a mornarchy,if being in the commonwealth benefits us financially or with pensions ect ect It doesn’t; if you retire in Canada your UK pension is frozen at the amount the day you first draw it whereas in the US you get the same increases as you would in Blighty. It’s all a load of individual treaties. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, General dissaray said: Why would we want to come out off the commonwealth?We can still be Independent and have a mornarchy,if being in the commonwealth benefits us financially or with pensions ect ect Why would being a republic stop Scotland being in the commonwealth? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, General dissaray said: Why would we want to come out off the commonwealth?We can still be Independent and have a mornarchy,if being in the commonwealth benefits us financially or with pensions ect ect Not sure what you mean. A country can be a republic and be in the Commonwealth. I think more than half the Commonwealth members ARE republics. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General dissaray Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Just now, carpetmonster said: It doesn’t; if you retire in Canada your UK pension is frozen at the amount the day you first draw it whereas in the US you get the same increases as you would in Blighty. It’s all a load of individual treaties. Pensions are tripped A gold plated if we are Independent military pensions can get switched over cos we are part off the commonwealth If we weren't that is gonna cost billions off more money that we need to find,why have a leader that is actively against something that is working? Its a total own goal 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Saw someone on twitter say that Humza is going to bring in Sharia Law. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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