welshbairn Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, Greenmachine said: There’s no chance of this being dropped no matter how much most fans want it to be! Remember when Sevco absolutely had to stay in the top divisions or we'd face Armageddon? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VodkaTap Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Burnieman said: I don't think it is. If this is voted against at AGM, it's dead in the water (they can't invite clubs to a league that has not been approved by members) and the SFA will need to go back to the table and actually start talking to clubs. All clubs. Not the PWG, but get off their arses and actually go and engage and above all, listen. Any idea which way are Gretna voting? I agree that the only other way for the conference to be killed is if enough vote against it at the AGM. I have no idea regarding Gretna's intentions on this matter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramid Watcher Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, Burnieman said: I don't think it is. If this is voted against at AGM, it's dead in the water (they can't invite clubs to a league that has not been approved by members) and the SFA will need to go back to the table and actually start talking to clubs. All clubs. Not the PWG, but get off their arses and actually go and engage and above all, listen. Any idea which way are Gretna voting? The SFA do have the power to insert this league without it going to an AGM, however it would be very brave of them to try it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, Pyramid Watcher said: The SFA do have the power to insert this league without it going to an AGM, however it would be very brave of them to try it. Which article covers that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramid Watcher Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 7 minutes ago, Burnieman said: Which article covers that? The SFA board have the power to do it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Pyramid Watcher said: The SFA board have the power to do it. Is this written down anywhere? And without permission of the SPFL, LL and HL? Edited May 2, 2023 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 This isn't a done deal thats why its all so messy and no one's stuck their head above the parapet to sell the idea. SFA just want to squeeze out a vote in their favour for the idea. That way they can have a mandate to serve up whatever slop the Conference league ends up being. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenmachine Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 minute ago, FairWeatherFan said: This isn't a done deal thats why its all so messy and no one's stuck their head above the parapet to sell the idea. SFA just want to squeeze out a vote in their favour for the idea. That way they can have a mandate to serve up whatever slop the Conference league ends up being. Do you think they haven’t discussed it at SPFL level ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 15 minutes ago, Pyramid Watcher said: The SFA board have the power to do it. I'm not sure they do, but I stand to be corrected. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Greenmachine said: Do you think they haven’t discussed it at SPFL level ? They want to avoid an SPFL vote because then they'd need a 75% majority. AFAIK the clubs have just been shown the 3 options Maxwell came up with. no doubt he's having regular portions of succulent lamb at Celtic Park and Ibrox though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Greenmachine said: Do you think they haven’t discussed it at SPFL level ? Why are you going round telling everyone its a done deal? The fact is no, they have not spoken to SPFL clubs on this, they will have discussed it at SFA Board level, Professional Game Board level, and also at the PWG, but at no point was the PWG involved in consultation on the idea, it was presented to them as a fait-acompli. Very few, if any, clubs have been spoken to directly on it apart from those who want involved as far as B teams are concerned. The SFA can't even flesh out the detail or tell anyone how many B teams will be involved. They want clubs to vote on a "concept". Whether any further details/plans are provided ahead of the AGM, who knows. Edited May 2, 2023 by Burnieman 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenmachine Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Burnieman said: Why are you going round telling everyone its a done deal? The fact is no, they have not spoken to SPFL clubs on this, they will have discussed it at SFA Board level, Professional Game Board level, and also at the PWG, but at no point was the PWG involved in consultation on the idea, it was presented to them as a fait-acompli. Very few, if any, clubs have been spoken to directly on it apart from those who want involved as far as B teams are concerned. I hope you’re right but I can’t see this going forward to a vote without clubs being canvassed first. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Greenmachine said: I hope you’re right but I can’t see this going forward to a vote without clubs being canvassed first. They haven't been, or at least, the two people I've asked who should know have said they know only what anyone else knows. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GallowayBlue Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Does anyone know when the AGM will take place? All very secretive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 43 minutes ago, Pyramid Watcher said: The SFA do have the power to insert this league without it going to an AGM, however it would be very brave of them to try it. Since when do the SFA have anything to do with leagues? They are responsible for licensing, the Scottish Cup, the national team and as an umbrella organisation for the various other stakeholder clubs but they can't tell the SPFL, SLFL, SHFL et al. what to order for breakfast, let alone what their league structures look like. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 22 minutes ago, Greenmachine said: Do you think they haven’t discussed it at SPFL level ? Everyone knows it has been "discussed". If it was a done deal all the leagues would be working on its introduction right now. Instead we're getting a vote on the idea. A bit like the pyramid in 2011. With the hopes it squeaks through on a simple majority. Then all the leagues are forced to start working on the idea. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenmachine Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 They are working on it though. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyramid Watcher Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 19 minutes ago, Salvo Montalbano said: Since when do the SFA have anything to do with leagues? They are responsible for licensing, the Scottish Cup, the national team and as an umbrella organisation for the various other stakeholder clubs but they can't tell the SPFL, SLFL, SHFL et al. what to order for breakfast, let alone what their league structures look like. Since it’s in the Articles of Association??? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingbob1875 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 11 minutes ago, Greenmachine said: They are working on it though. Who is? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenmachine Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Just now, kingbob1875 said: Who is? The Leagues 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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