itzdrk Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 I have the full fear he's going to play Adams. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 38 minutes ago, Unleash The Nade said: He has to start with Shankland If he played for either half of the OF and had netted over 30 goals, there’s no way he’d be sitting on the bench 6 minutes ago, itzdrk said: I have the full fear he's going to play Adams. I'd be happy with either. Both have their strengths/qualities. However, if we play like we did on Friday then it doesn't matter.⁶ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 7 hours ago, Butters Scotch said: Have you never played football before? Chasing shadows all game cause you cannae keep the ball knackers you out at any level in the game therefore increasing the likelihood of of a poor result or performance. Possession will be key in games against Hungary and Switzerland so unsure why you're being rather dismissive about it. Keeping possession without creating chances is a different story but this team has shown it can build up good attacks when we knock it around we'll which we had f**k all of against the Germans 7 hours ago, git-intae-thum said: Gifting another side 70%+ possession in the finals of an international tournament means it is just a question of how big a tanking they can give us. That defensive style of football just doesn't work. If we are to improve them kind of tactics need chucked in the dustbin of history. Every week we see teams dominate the ball and lose. Controlling a game without the ball is a legitimate tactic. Time proven through all eras of football - even a possession era that we're in. The enemy of possession football is a well organised low block combined with a strong counter-attack. Northern Ireland showed us that. We showed Spain that. 4 hours ago, Bing.McCrosby said: Well yes we do, as does every team who's ever played football at any level. The examples you give don't reflect a team doing it well. Ill bring this quote in now. This is what it's all about. No matter the tactics, the system, formation, it always comes back to the players performing it well. Edited June 18 by 2426255 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Yes......but far more often the team that dominates possession wins. If we are potential Pot 1 that is what we are aiming for 4 minutes ago, 2426255 said: Every week we see teams dominate the ball and lose. Controlling a game without the ball is a legitimate tactics. Time proven throught all eras of football even a possession era that we're in. The enemy of possesion football is a well organised low block and strong counter-attack. Northern Ireland showed us that. We showed Spain that. Ill bring this quote in now. This is what it's all about. No matter the tactics, the system, formation, it always comes back to the players perfroming it well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 13 minutes ago, git-intae-thum said: Yes......but far more often the team that dominates possession wins. If we are potential Pot 1 that is what we are aiming for Is that not why we played with the ball in the friendlies against pot-1 teams? So we can improve that side of our game? Isn't it obvious that Steve Clarke decided we didn't show enough in those friendlies to use that approach against Germany. A competitive game is different. If we aren't going to be able to dominate a game then don't try. Use another method, but perform it well. Switzerland and Hungary are different to Germany so we'll possibly see more of the ball, but it'll still come back to how we perform. That's the bottom line. Edited June 18 by 2426255 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 2 minutes ago, 2426255 said: Is that not why we played with the ball in the friendlies against pot-1 teams? So we can improve that side of our game? A competitive game is different. If we aren't going to be able to dominate a game then don't try. Use another method, but perform it well. Switzerland and Hungary are different to Germany so we'll possibly see more of the ball, but it'll still come back to how we perform. That's the bottom line. Even if we don't dominate....you don't give the opposition +70% possession. That is madness at international level. Inviting a gubbing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 2 minutes ago, git-intae-thum said: Even if we don't dominate....you don't give the opposition +70% possession. That is madness at international level. Inviting a gubbing. I don't think it's that important. Northern Ireland beat us with 17% possession. They gave us 83% and we did nothing with it. Aren't France and Real Madrid notorious in the recent past for not playing possession based football because it gives them space to exploit on the break. There are a hundred ways to skin a cat. We don't all have to be mini Guardiola's. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 minute ago, 2426255 said: I don't think it's that important. Northern Ireland beat us with 17% possession. They gave us 83% and we did nothing with it. Aren't France and Real Madrid notorious in the recent past for not playing possession based football because it gives them space to exploit on the break. There are a hundred ways to skin a cat. We don't all have to be mini Guardiola's. The NI game qame was the kind of freak result that can happen. It is very much just that though.....a freak result. Play that game ten times and we win comfortably nine of them. We don't have the explosive counter attacking power of France or Real Madrid....Not many teams do tbh....so that kind of defence and then counter attack is a non starter for us. If we want to compete....we need to keep the ball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 1 minute ago, git-intae-thum said: The NI game qame was the kind of freak result that can happen. It is very much just that though.....a freak result. Play that game ten times and we win comfortably nine of them. If we want to compete....we need to keep the ball. I'm sure Steve Clarke recognises that, he's said as much. That's why we took the friendlies we did and tried to control those games with the ball. You should be asking why Clarke didn't take that approach in any of our tough competitive games. Spain, Norway or Germany? Probably because we aren't quite good enough to do that yet against a team like Germany and off the back of the friendlies how can you disagree? It remains to be seen if we have more of the ball against Hungary and Switzerland, but the point still stands that no matter how we approach the next two games the players have to perform the game plan, whatever that might be, at a higher performance level. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 5 minutes ago, 2426255 said: no matter how we approach the next two games the players have to perform the game plan, whatever that might be, at a higher performance level. That is agreed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JS_FFC Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 I had a dream that we lost 1-0 due to a 5th minute header. ^^^ Not sure BA Robertson’s latest effort will chart well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ro Sham Bo Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 7 hours ago, DA Baracus said: I'd be happy with either. Both have their strengths/qualities. However, if we play like we did on Friday then it doesn't matter.⁶ Exactly. If we can't keep the ball long enough to mount any kind of attack it's irrelevant who's playing up front. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint in exile Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Hopefully Gilmour will play and improve our ball retention.We need to get some confidence early on in the game or I fear we may implode again 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 This is the worst suggestion I have seen. A back two of Henry and Tierney the highlight. https://x.com/BBCSportScot/status/1803328612919103628?t=ZzcYBjZ4zMur8zLhSWZiUw&s=19 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Twelve Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 1 hour ago, itzdrk said: This is the worst suggestion I have seen. A back two of Henry and Tierney the highlight. https://x.com/BBCSportScot/status/1803328612919103628?t=ZzcYBjZ4zMur8zLhSWZiUw&s=19 And the third reply: Drop Robertson. What are these people actually seeing when they watch a game? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callum-ayr Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 Gunn* Hendry Hanley Tierney Ralston** Robertson Gilmour McTominay McGregor McGinn Shankland *Not getting dropped and no one to drop him for **Would possibly just fire in Forrest as it can't be any worse surely 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galajambo Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 I'm still tempted to play Tierney at right back, he's solid, and we're very weak there with either Ralston or McRorie. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Twelve Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 7 minutes ago, Galajambo said: I'm still tempted to play Tierney at right back, he's solid, and we're very weak there with either Ralston or McRorie. How about a mad change to 3-4-3? Gunn Hendry - McKenna - Cooper* Tierney - Gilmour - Christie - Robertson McTominay - Adams - Armstrong *Or whichever CBs you fancy really. It will have the element of surprise at least. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 (edited) 1 hour ago, Alan Twelve said: How about a mad change to 3-4-3? Germany started their build up phase with three mostly, Kroos, Tah and Rudiger, and sometimes a four even though they had a back-4 on paper. The Netherlands did the same back in March. Scotland sometimes build up in a four even though we start with a back-3 on paper. No reason to get hung up over the starting firmation boys. Edited June 19 by 2426255 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabFC Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 1 hour ago, Alan Twelve said: How about a mad change to 3-4-3? Gunn Hendry - McKenna - Cooper* Tierney - Gilmour - Christie - Robertson McTominay - Adams - Armstrong *Or whichever CBs you fancy really. It will have the element of surprise at least. Dropping McGann is pretty mad. We only really play 3 at the back because of Tierney/Robertson. If you wanted Tierney at RB, just leave Cooper out and bolster that soft as shite looking midfield. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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