The Moonster Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Merkland Red said: First paragraph - you'll learn! Second paragraph - agreed. Both my brothers have kids and I don't see that attitude from them at all, but you may well be right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alternative Title Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, The Moonster said: I can understand that sending your kid to the kids club if they've maybe met some new friends or just enjoy it, that's fine. The McCanns aren't being criticised for that though, they're being criticised for neglecting them in an apartment whilst they sat having dinner and drinks. To be clear then, the kids were at the kids club during the day where Kate and Gerry would have a few hours to do what they liked, then at night they needed to leave the kids again? Shite parents who would've been better leaving the kids in the UK with a child minder if the plan for the holiday was "pap the kids off as much as possible and get jolly". I've seen plenty parents do it. To be fair, the me time kids clubs give you can be a big part of such holidays. I can only speak for myself, any boozing was done on the balcony once they were asleep. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, Alternative Title said: I've seen plenty parents do it. To be fair, the me time kids clubs give you can be a big part of such holidays. I can only speak for myself, any boozing was done on the balcony once they were asleep. Accepted a bit of "me time" on holiday is fine, the kids clubs during the day should've given them that. No need for the night time neglect and I agree with your sensible approach to boozing with weans in tow. 2 minutes ago, throbber said: I don’t think the twins were at the kids club all day, they weren’t even 2 at the time. I never said they were there all day, but I imagine they were there for an hour or two each day at least? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alternative Title Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Moonster said: Accepted a bit of "me time" on holiday is fine, the kids clubs during the day should've given them that. No need for the night time neglect and I agree with your sensible approach to boozing with weans in tow. I never said they were there all day, but I imagine they were there for an hour or two each day at least? At the end of the day, being a shit parent doesn't lead to you staging an abduction to cover up a tragic accident - which is the theory put forward by Amaral. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 1 minute ago, Alternative Title said: At the end of the day, being a shit parent doesn't lead to you staging an abduction to cover up a tragic accident - which is the theory put forward by Amaral. Aye, agreed. Sorry didn't mean to come across like I was accusing Kate and Gerry of being involved, I just think they are shite parents. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, throbber said: I’m not sure you can really use that as a stick to beat them with here. Why? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 38 minutes ago, The Moonster said: Both my brothers have kids and I don't see that attitude from them at all, but you may well be right. Often with parents they'll let you see what they want you to see. We're all human beings. A child can decide that today they are going to annoy you the same way someone decides today they're going to troll on a football forum. Everyone can do with a break from time to time. You can love your wife but if you're in each other's pocket every day then you're going to go crazy. Agree with you regarding taking kids on holiday though. We've missed out on several holidays with pals as we have kids and either don't want to leave them with either of our parents or take them with us and not be able to fully enjoy ourselves. We just go on our own trip and do something we can all enjoy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 i suppose everyone's different. I don't have kids but i can absolutely sympathise with wanting to spend the evenings eating and drinking with their pals away from their kids. I can imagine that's the kind of freedom you just don't have 99% of the time when you have young kids. That being said, it's still their responsibility to make sure the kids are safe and they didn't do that. Mistakes don't make them shit parents for me. Everyone makes them. I'd guess most parents have done something similar at some point at least but 99.99999% of the time, nothing comes of it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinner-to-Saint Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, Gordon EF said: i suppose everyone's different. I don't have kids but i can absolutely sympathise with wanting to spend the evenings eating and drinking with their pals away from their kids. I can imagine that's the kind of freedom you just don't have 99% of the time when you have young kids. That being said, it's still their responsibility to make sure the kids are safe and they didn't do that. Mistakes don't make them shit parents for me. Everyone makes them. I'd guess most parents have done something similar at some point at least but 99.99999% of the time, nothing comes of it. I totally agree with you. However a lot of people seem to believe her parents lied about the events of the night, and even that they arranged for her abduction. I think it must be awful for them to live with the guilt of what's happened, and to have gossips implicating them in all sorts of horrible things. I even remember a Rangers supporting friend claiming the father was something to do with Celtic FC and...well I won't repeat the rest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, Sinner-to-Saint said: I totally agree with you. However a lot of people seem to believe her parents lied about the events of the night, and even that they arranged for her abduction. I think it must be awful for them to live with the guilt of what's happened, and to have gossips implicating them in all sorts of horrible things. I even remember a Rangers supporting friend claiming the father was something to do with Celtic FC and...well I won't repeat the rest. He worked for Celtic, that much is true. The other allegations mostly stem from evidence given by I e of the group against David Payne. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 (edited) Tbh, chucking the bairns into a kids club during the day, before abandoning them in the apartment at night so you can have a bevy isn't my idea of a 'family holiday', but each to their own. Edited June 9, 2020 by Henderson to deliver ..... Correction on behalf of Throbber. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alternative Title Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Merkland Red said: Edited June 9, 2020 by Alternative Title 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Just now, Alternative Title said: What makes them look like bad parents to me is working against the police department that was trying to find their child. All part of their devious plan no doubt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alternative Title Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 What makes them look like bad parents to me is working against the police department that was trying to find their child. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alternative Title Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: All part of their devious plan no doubt. You'd have to ask them. The PJ werent able to. Edited June 9, 2020 by Alternative Title 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alternative Title Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 Just now, throbber said: Do you know how long the children were in the kids club for each day? Including the twins who were under 2 years old? It's in the PJ Files. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 1 minute ago, throbber said: This is nothing like the McCann story and completely unfair to even think about comparing them. 1) There is an actual body found in this instance making prosecution a priority 2) The boy was left alone in a caravan with a seven stone bull terrier which had previous for attacking children. 3) The mother was getting jaked on drugs as well as drink Into the small hours, she checked on him at half 4 to find him dead but that doesn’t mean that was after she had finished parting. Assuming the child had a normal sleeping pattern I doubt the mother would have been in a fit state to look after him when he woke up which clearly paints the picture of an unfit parent. Do you actually believe this is a similar case to Madeline? Of course there are significant differences. The issue i was trying to highlight is that I think the argument of "no need to add to their pain" is almost certainly not applied equally. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Alternative Title said: What makes them look like bad parents to me is working against the police department that was trying to find their child. Well, they were being accused of murder? If they are genuine, they should be using every tool at their disposal to resist a police investigation going down a route that they'd know themselves to be false. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Alternative Title said: It's in the PJ Files. This is the answer to anyone questioning allegations against the McCanns. There's hundreds if not thousands of pages, why not just link one? Or it's google this name and see where it leads. Everyone thinks they're that FBI agent in the Washington car park whispering "follow the money" Edited June 9, 2020 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted June 9, 2020 Share Posted June 9, 2020 33 minutes ago, throbber said: Because it’s a kids club for their kids to do stuff during the day, it’s probably one of the reasons they chose that location as it had a kids club at it and they had young kids. Ridiculous from you. You've missed my point. The kids day club is fine, I get why you'd do that, it's there for that purpose. I am only asking if it is reasonable for parents to then leave their children unattended at night. They didn't need a break from the kids, they got that during the day, they just preferred to get pished at night without them bothering them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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