welshbairn Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Alternative Title said: I'm sure you can see the direction he is leading you. As far away from the published facts and discussing them as possible. They're discussing childcare, not the 11 thousand pages of Portuguese police files translated by "Astro". Edited June 10, 2020 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, throbber said: I don’t care if anyone concludes they are shit parents loooool 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 The Moonster v Throbber is an interesting subplot here. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 1 minute ago, throbber said: You can lol all you want, I’m a real supporter of actual evidence though and if you had just said they were awful parents for leaving the kids alone in the hotel whilst they went out for a social one I wouldn’t have argued with you. However, you pulled a conclusion out of your arse about them having a few hours to do as they pleased during the day and that they ditched their kids as often as possible on this holiday which you have been rightly pulled up on. Glad you're keeping things honest, throbbs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Alternative Title said: I would think discussing things with the diddy people would be beneath Gerry. The posts do bear common traits with some of his internet goons. Anybody who questions the McCann story is a vile troll, coupled with attempting to steer the story into conspiraloon territory. They never address facts only question peoples character or motivation. The sociopathic approach only makes people more curious and means more people become aware of the official records. Gerry is far too busy searching for his daughter whilst being a co author on over 17 published papers to come on here. It could well be one of the family, but the grammar doesn't have nearly enough mistakes for it to be Phil. They are on their favourite ground here. Expect the discussion to veer off on tangents, and descend into acrimony. Anything to stop people looking at the files, and to scare others off from taking part. Bad news day for then now that the consensus is Madeline is dead. The PJ has given them all the time they need to identify an abductor, or even prove an abduction occurred. This year's funding attempt for OG appears to be the last. Are you actually saying I’m related to the McCanns despite posting infrequently on this thread and being mainly concerned with people needing evidence before accusing parents of a crime? Then you’re pretending not to be a conspiraloon? This has jumped the shark. You have no admissible evidence supporting your theory and you seem totally obsessive in the way certain people are - starting with a belief, looking for facts to fit and not questioning sources. I think if you look through my posting history I also sometimes argue Al Qaeda perpetrated 9/11 and Steven Avery probably killed that woman, despite not being related to Osama or any inbred from Wisconsin. Edited June 10, 2020 by The OP 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Alternative Title said: As far away from the published facts and discussing them as possible. Here we go, brief examination on the balance of probabilities. Opportunity for the McCann's to get rid of the body, close to zero. Likelihood of a planned abductor breaking into the apartment to kidnap Maddie, unlikely but physically possible. Very easy for him to be spotted. Opportunity for Maddie to wander out of the apartment. Very high. Chance of paedo on the prowl encountering her. Low, but stranger abductions are rare anyway, and happen all the same. Edited June 10, 2020 by welshbairn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shandon Par Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, throbber said: How did Amoral conclude that they got rid of the body in the hours and days that followed? The UK detectives in the c4 doc believed it was stashed in one of the giant bins on the street or down a storm drain and did not believe these things had been properly/systematically searched in the way they would have been in a UK case. Not my opinion btw- just what these folk believed at the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 25 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Here we go, brief examination on the balance of probabilities. Opportunity for the McCann's to get rid of the body, close to zero. Likelihood of a planned abductor breaking into the apartment to kidnap Maddie, unlikely but physically possible. Very easy for him to be spotted. Opportunity for Maddie to wander out of the apartment. Very high. Chance of paedo on the prowl encountering her. Low, but stranger abductions are rare anyway, and happen all the same. I think that's what happened, but what happened to her after that is a mystery. Maybe your last sentence is correct. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 28 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Here we go, brief examination on the balance of probabilities. Opportunity for the McCann's to get rid of the body, close to zero. Likelihood of a planned abductor breaking into the apartment to kidnap Maddie, unlikely but physically possible. Very easy for him to be spotted. Opportunity for Maddie to wander out of the apartment. Very high. Chance of paedo on the prowl encountering her. Low, but stranger abductions are rare anyway, but happen all the same. I feel it's more likely that she was taken from the unlocked apartment, than being found in the middle of the road by the world's luckiest paedophile. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alternative Title Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 It would be really good if the man that the Smith family spotted, matching Gerry's description, walking towards the sea, and the little church in PDL could be identified. He was carrying a sleeping child over his shoulder. PDL has a rocky beach with caves hollowed out by the sea. It would be possible for someone to hide a body there and for someone to retrieve it later. Ive always wondered why the campaign left that particular stone unturned. Particularly as it shouldnt have been too hard to find him given the relatively small number of people in PDL at that time of year He has to have been as much a person of interest as the man Jane Tanner said she saw going in the opposite direction. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shandon Par Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, throbber said: And then Gerry disposes of the body some time after? Was he acting alone or is there a suspected third party? Been ages since I watched these. What would you do? The kid forces you to leave your bevvying for a few minutes. You come back and it's moaning about being scared etc so you lose your temper, things go a bit wrong, you stash the body in a bin or down a drain and get back to the bar. Next morning you go for a jog as you know there's no point searching for her as you have a hazy recollection of doing something terrible the night before. I think that's what those detectives thought anyway. The starting point is that in about 75% of cases like that it was the parents. The profiling suggests that a b**** breaking in and taking her would be an almost unheard of MO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alternative Title Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 33 minutes ago, Shandon Par said: The UK detectives in the c4 doc believed it was stashed in one of the giant bins on the street or down a storm drain and did not believe these things had been properly/systematically searched in the way they would have been in a UK case. Not my opinion btw- just what these folk believed at the time. Worth pointing out that dogs were deployed very early in the search, and that back up was sent down from Lisbon the same night. Amaral admitted that the local police had made a mistake allowing the apartment to become contaminated, but by the time they got there the Tapas Seven had been in and out as well as Mark Warner Staff. One of the search dogs picked up on a scent in the bushes leading away from the apartment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 On 07/09/2007 at 13:22, Yflab said: These may be the 22 questions that are asked. These were issued weeks ago in the local press. Francisco Moita Flores is one of the best Portuguese criminologists and a former policemen. He made a list of 22 questions he'd like to ask the McCann couple, here they are translated into English: 1- Who was the last person outside the couple who saw Madeleine alive? 2- When you left the house for dinner, was Maddie sleeping or awake? 3- Were the other children sleeping? 4- How did you organize the periodic checking on the children? 5- Who was the first adult who went to check on children? 6- Who was the second one? 7- What was the interval between the first two checks? 8- How many children from the other couples were sleeping at the same time? 9- What was the checking order? 10- How much time passed between the last person outside the couple who saw Maddie alive, and the alert was given? 11- How much time between learning that she dissapeared and telling the authorities? 12- Who spoke with the police? 13- Who participated in the first searching efforts? 14- What did you touch while searching? 15- Where did you look for her? 16- Did you have bleach or hydrochloric acid at home? 17- What was the supermarket where you bought it? 18- When did you buy these cleaning products? 19- Who knew where they were stored? 20- Did any of the friends change clothes during that night? 21- Was any of them absent for one hour or more? 22- Will you let the twins talk to a child psychiatrist to let him know what they saw? Were these questions asked and answered? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, Alternative Title said: It would be really good if the man that the Smith family spotted, matching Gerry's description, walking towards the sea, and the little church in PDL could be identified. He was carrying a sleeping child over his shoulder. Quote He described the man he saw as Caucasian, around 175 to 180m in height. He said he appeared to be about 35 to 40 years old. His statement also said that the man’s hair was short, in a basic male cut, brown in colour. https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/madeleine-mccann-holidaying-family-from-louth-may-have-witnessed-abduction-39264036.html The German would have been 30. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alternative Title Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: Were these questions asked and answered? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/madeleine-mccann-disappearance-kate-questions-gerry-parents-a8822751.html 48 questions asked under arguida status. The answer to 47 was "no comment." The went back to England very soon afterwards. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, Shandon Par said: I think that's what those detectives thought anyway. The starting point is that in about 75% of cases like that it was the parents. The profiling suggests that a b**** breaking in and taking her would be an almost unheard of MO. The thing is that this applies to all child abductions by strangers. They're incredibly rare, but they do happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alternative Title Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 (edited) 8 minutes ago, welshbairn said: https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/madeleine-mccann-holidaying-family-from-louth-may-have-witnessed-abduction-39264036.html The German would have been 30. Could be anybody really. Anybody with a flat head. Edited June 10, 2020 by Alternative Title 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/madeleine-mccann-disappearance-kate-questions-gerry-parents-a8822751.html 48 questions asked under arguida status. The answer to 47 was "no comment." The went back to England very soon afterwards.Again if they're that concerned for their daughter's safety they'd answer any and every question to help forward the investigation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Alternative Title said: Could be anybody really. Anybody with a flat head. Yes, but you dismiss the thought that it could be anyone but Gerry. Because you really, really, really want it to be him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alternative Title Posted June 10, 2020 Share Posted June 10, 2020 Just now, Empty It said: 8 minutes ago, Alternative Title said: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/madeleine-mccann-disappearance-kate-questions-gerry-parents-a8822751.html 48 questions asked under arguida status. The answer to 47 was "no comment." The went back to England very soon afterwards. Again if they're that concerned for their daughter's safety they'd answer any and every question to help forward the investigation. They say they thought they were being fitted up. They seem like the sort of questions the police would need answered to eliminate someone from an enquiry though. The context of this is that the questions were put after the dog alerts, and discovery of DNA that would be admissible in Britain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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