welshbairn Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Good article by probably the most experienced UK journalist on the Middle East. Israeli air war will destroy Gaza but not Hamas 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, coprolite said: I’d imagine any opening would be limited. Food convoys in and probably only sick and injured in transit to elsewhere. Can’t imagine Egypt is going to let even tens of thousands into Sinai. 2 hours ago, 101 said: Hard to see Egypt going for that as I really doubt any country that has cheered on Israel will be interested in taking a share of the refugees. That was my initial thoughts, it was the BBC talking up a deal to allow more than "foreign" passport holders cross. I tend to agree it won't happen but you could see what could well be the end result if it did. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewanandmoreagain Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 19 hours ago, TxRover said: And you go back to the 30’s and the Jewish population around there was being killed, and they fortified rather than retaliated…so there is been tit for tat there for centuries. True. Because of the Nazis the thirties was when the Jewish population in Palestine increased massively 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewanandmoreagain Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 7 hours ago, Billy Jean King said: Rumours of a "deal" to open the border into Egypt coupled with the Israelis telling the population of Gaza to move south ie towards that border must bring into sharp focus the end of a Palestinian state. You can see why Hamas would be advising the population not to head south as the opening of that border to refugees (if that is the "deal" being talked about) would see the vast majority of the population of Gaza become refugees in Egypt with the prospect of never returning. Israel then rolls into Gaza to flatten it in preparation of it becoming integrated into Israel. This ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewanandmoreagain Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 4 hours ago, 101 said: Hard to see Egypt going for that as I really doubt any country that has cheered on Israel will be interested in taking a share of the refugees. How do you mean " cheered on Israel " ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 7 minutes ago, Ewanandmoreagain said: True. Because of the Nazis the thirties was when the Jewish population in Palestine increased massively If the Europeans were kind to the Jews there would be no Jewish State, they would still be living happily in Europe. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said: If the Europeans were kind to the Jews there would be no Jewish State, they would still be living happily in Europe. Pretty sure the idea of a Jewish homeland predated the Europeans not being “kind to the Jews”. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 4 hours ago, TxRover said: The ones oppressed in part because their leaders rejected the Oslo Accords? There’s blame all over, regardless of where you look. Two people signed the Oslo Accords. Yasser Arafat of the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO). And Yitzak Rabin for Israel. Arafat had conceded to Israel about 60% of what Palestinians considered their territory. Even relative moderates felt he had betrayed them. Yitzak Rabin was assassinated by right wingers in Israel who considered him a traitor for negotiating at all. One of those who had called for Rabin to be killed is now the National Security Minister of Israel. After the assassination of Rabin, the right wingers took a grip of Israel, first Ariel Sharon, then, and now Netanyahu. Israel are occupiers. They are the oppressors. No matter how you try to circumvent that. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, beefybake said: Two people signed the Oslo Accords. Yasser Arafat of the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO). And Yitzak Rabin for Israel. Arafat had conceded to Israel about 60% of what Palestinians considered their territory. Even relative moderates felt he had betrayed them. Yitzak Rabin was assassinated by right wingers in Israel who considered him a traitor for negotiating at all. One of those who had called for Rabin to be killed is now the National Security Minister of Israel. After the assassination of Rabin, the right wingers took a grip of Israel, first Ariel Sharon, then, and now Netanyahu. Israel are occupiers. They are the oppressors. No matter how you try to circumvent that. Support the oppressed not the oppressors. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Joe Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, beefybake said: Two people signed the Oslo Accords. Yasser Arafat of the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO). And Yitzak Rabin for Israel. Arafat had conceded to Israel about 60% of what Palestinians considered their territory. Even relative moderates felt he had betrayed them. Yitzak Rabin was assassinated by right wingers in Israel who considered him a traitor for negotiating at all. One of those who had called for Rabin to be killed is now the National Security Minister of Israel. After the assassination of Rabin, the right wingers took a grip of Israel, first Ariel Sharon, then, and now Netanyahu. Israel are occupiers. They are the oppressors. No matter how you try to circumvent that. They did get slightly "chased" out of Europe to be fair. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, beefybake said: Two people signed the Oslo Accords. Yasser Arafat of the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO). And Yitzak Rabin for Israel. Arafat had conceded to Israel about 60% of what Palestinians considered their territory. Even relative moderates felt he had betrayed them... There is a school of thought that Arafat's plan all along was to use Oslo to get back into Palestine and then launch the intifada. Think the problem ultimately was more that neither side's politicians were able to persuade the populations they represented to go along with the two-state plan Bill Clinton came up with and the Americans were not forceful enough on insisting that Israel had to get back to something very close to the 1948-1967 borders or lose future American financial and military backing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Terrorist attack in Belgium reportedly related to this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roman_bairn Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 5 minutes ago, Donathan said: Terrorist attack in Belgium reportedly related to this. Not clear. Belgium v Sweden abandoned at half time as the two shot dead were wearing Sweden football shirts and the attacker is still on the loose…. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, roman_bairn said: Not clear. Belgium v Sweden abandoned at half time as the two shot dead were wearing Sweden football shirts and the attacker is still on the loose…. Unconfirmed reports that the gunman posted a video online pledging allegiance to ISIS before the attack. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSJ.84 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Donathan said: Unconfirmed reports that the gunman posted a video online pledging allegiance to ISIS before the attack. Won’t post in here for obvious reasons @Visegrad24 on twitter seems to have excellent coverage of it. Hard to be sure if the videos of him talking are genuine, of course. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, PSJ.84 said: Won’t post in here for obvious reasons @Visegrad24 on twitter seems to have excellent coverage of it. Hard to be sure if the videos of him talking are genuine, of course. Yup, basically confirms it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 How is this apparent ISIS attack related to the Gaza situation? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Said it before but religion really does need put in the bin and confined to the history books. Unbelievable in 2023 that people who believe in and live their lives according to what some sky fairy said 2,000+ years ago are not locked up for being absolutely mental. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Melanius Mullarkay said: How is this apparent ISIS attack related to the Gaza situation? Please don’t ask questions like this you ISIS/Hamas/Hezbollah/Aberdeen FC supporting terrorist sympathiser. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkay said: How is this apparent ISIS attack related to the Gaza situation? ISIS and Hamas are two sides of the same coin. Both Islamic Jihadist organisations. This attack is likely revenge against the West for supporting Israel. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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