Granny Danger Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Palestinian-American activist talking about the distance between people and their governments as well as the powerlessness of international law. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 12 minutes ago, Freedom Farter said: Palestinian-American activist talking about the distance between people and their governments as well as the powerlessness of international law. Of course international law is powerless. Israel has been flouting international law for decades. The one thing that could stop Israel is if the U.S. told them to pack it in and of course they won’t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 15 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: Of course international law is powerless. Israel has been flouting international law for decades. The one thing that could stop Israel is if the U.S. told them to pack it in and of course they won’t. I think what he said about the divide between governments and their people was interesting. If you look at the polling on this issue, there's an enormous difference between age cohorts, where the young (gen Z) are the most sympathetic to Palestinian concerns generally and the most supportive of ending the current violence being visited upon Gazans. My speculation is that young folk have grown up better informed about the global population. Their concept of what and who is foreign is far less pronounced than it was for previous generations growing up. There was probably a time when WW2 wasn't so long in the past and then with the advent of the Cold War when folk just put full trust in their state. The complete lack of democracy we have over international issues was accepted because it was believed we were trading that reduction in democracy for an increase in security. Our state and our government, our wider "western" elites were keeping us safe from the barbarians at the gate, from the scary foreigners out there in the rest of the world. Folk aren't buying that so much now, especially the young. More democracy is needed. This is just the latest issue we're seeing the discontent manifest over. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Nice to see our Home Secretary being so rational about the protests.... "Home secretary Suella Braverman has condemned the pro-Palestine rallies held across the UK in recent weeks as “hate marches”." From - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/suella-braverman-palestine-protests-israel-b2438478.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaggy McJagface Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said: Nice to see our Home Secretary being so rational about the protests.... "Home secretary Suella Braverman has condemned the pro-Palestine rallies held across the UK in recent weeks as “hate marches”." From - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/suella-braverman-palestine-protests-israel-b2438478.html Surely Suella would feel right at home in them then? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Freedom Farter said: I think what he said about the divide between governments and their people was interesting. If you haven't already, then you should read Peter Mair's Ruling the Void if this sort of stuff interests you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Come on, Biden, you can at least tell them to keep hospitals off their target list. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Jaggy McJagface said: Surely Suella would feel right at home in them then? I’ve posted before that I think Braverman is trying to compensate for something from her childhood; possibly bullying. I can’t think of anything else that make her such a hateful person. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 1 hour ago, Freedom Farter said: Come on, Biden, you can at least tell them to keep hospitals off their target list. It wouldn’t surprise me if the Israelis choose not to bomb the hospital, possibly after US ‘intervention’, then this is portrayed as a humanitarian gesture. ’Look the Israeli government didn’t do a horrible thing that should never have been under consideration so they must really be good guys’ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyman Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 https://news.sky.com/story/andy-mcdonald-senior-labour-mp-suspended-over-deeply-offensive-comments-at-pro-palestine-rally-12996759 Absolute wow...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 The same phrase is in first paragraph of the Likud Party constitution: Quote .....between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyman Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 38 minutes ago, andrew21 said: Full speech recorded on his twitter account. Personally, I find nothing offensive about that esp when the the same sort of phrase is used by the Likud party. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Joe Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Strong Likud Party vibes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonksy+HisChristianParade Posted October 30, 2023 Share Posted October 30, 2023 Had a look at Twitter today and realised that Palestine is the Celtic equivalent of Rangers’ ‘poppy fetish’. Saw some Celtic fan painted Palestine flags on her nails and another was asking how she could adopt a Palestinian child 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 This is absolutely grotesque, deeply antisemitic and grossly offensive to Holocaust survivors. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Their PR is woeful, absolute clownshoe stuff. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
btb Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dunning1874 said: This is absolutely grotesque, deeply antisemitic and grossly offensive to Holocaust survivors. It's always been the policy of the Israeli right wing that the Holocaust gives them the right to do anything short of genocide in response to being attacked, they've tended to tone their rhetoric down a bit for international audiences, their latest statement shows their current governing coalition going into full Millwall mode. @Ziggy Sobotka thinks it's a mistake but that's only so if the US thinks so. Edited October 31, 2023 by btb 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 1 minute ago, btb said: It's always been the policy of the Israeli right wing that the Holocaust gives them the right to do anything short of genocide in response to being attacked, they've tended to tone their rhetoric down a bit for international audiences, the latest action shows the current governing coalition going into full Millwall mode. @Ziggy Sobotka thinks it's a mistake but that's only so if the US thinks so. Including genocide now apparently. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted October 31, 2023 Share Posted October 31, 2023 Norman Finkelstein was right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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