THE KING Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Do non-Jews get a vote in areas controlled by the Israeli government or military? Dont be crazy..these settler homes are being built beyond the 1967 line, a clear case of the continued ethnic cleansing by Israel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 JERUSALEM (Reuters) - An Israeli government committee on Monday advanced plans for 500 settler homes in East Jerusalem, an official said, in the face of disapproval from the United States at construction on occupied Palestinian land. The Interior Ministry panel's preliminary approval of the new homes for Ramat Shlomo, a neighbourhood built on West Bank territory captured in the 1967 war and annexed to Jerusalem in a move not recognised abroad, was kept low profile in an apparent bid to avoid friction with Washington. A week ago, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu ordered plans for some 600 housing units for Ramat Shlomo and 400 others for Har Homa, another East Jerusalem neighbourhood, to be advanced. Palestinian officials have voiced alarm, echoed in the international community, over the settlements, viewing them as a main obstacle to founding the independent state they seek in the West Bank and Gaza Strip with East Jerusalem as its capital. An Interior Ministry spokeswoman did not immediately confirm Monday's committee decision, details of which were relayed to Reuters by an Israeli official on condition of anonymity. The official said Israel hoped to avoid publicity around the move, one in a series of logistical and legal stages before construction begins. The number of new homes planned for Ramat Shlomo had been reduced, the official said, because of environmental concerns. In Washington, U.S. State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said the reports contradicted the Israeli government's stated goal of a peace agreement. "This flies in the face of that," Psaki told reporters at her daily briefing, saying the United States had seen reports of the planned construction but not any details. "It is unfortunate for this to move forward given not just the view of the United States, but the view of many in the international community," she added. The European Union asked Israel for clarifications about Netanyahu's promotion of the Har Homa and Ramat Shlomo projects. Netanyahu, whose relations with U.S. President Barack Obama have long been strained, also drew criticism from the White House earlier this month after some two dozen Jewish families moved into homes purchased in an Arab neighbourhood of East Jerusalem where about 500 settlers already live. Peace Now, an Israeli anti-settlement movement, has warned that moving forward with the Har Homa and Ramat Shlomo plans could further inflame tensions in East Jerusalem, the scene of daily confrontations between stone-throwing Palestinians and police in riot gear. Israel regards all of Jerusalem as its "indivisible and eternal" capital, a claim not recognised internationally, and says Jews have the right to live anywhere in the city. Some 500,000 Israelis have settled in the West Bank and East Jerusalem, among 2.4 million Palestinians. The World Court says settlements Israel has built there are illegal, a view Israel disputes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Sorry I was wrong earlier. Area A is full Palestinian control - Israelis are not allowed to enter these areas without request. (Mainly Palestinian cities) Area B is joint Israel-Palestinian security control and only Palestinian civil control (Mainly Palestinian rural areas) Area C is sole Israeli control - Palestinians are generally not allowed to enter these areas without request (Mainly Israel settlements, empty land and areas of security importance i.e the border with Jordan) As for your question, all Israelis regardless of religion are allowed to vote. Do non-Jews in areas B or C get a vote for the Israeli Government? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam4267 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 Do non-Jews in areas B or C get a vote for the Israeli Government? all Israelis - regardless of religion - are allowed to vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 (edited) all Israelis - regardless of religion - are allowed to vote. That wasn't the question. Here's a wee map. Only Jews are allowed to vote for their rulers in the brown bits, and in bits of the beige bits. This is how Israel has striven for a 2 state solution. ie. by doing every they can to subvert it. http://www.ochaopt.org/documents/ocha_opt_area_c_map_2011_02_22.pdf Edited November 4, 2014 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam4267 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 That wasn't the question. Here's a wee map. Only Jews are allowed to vote for their rulers in the brown bits, and in bits of the beige bits. This is how Israel has striven for a 2 state solution. ie. by doing every they can to subvert it. http://www.ochaopt.org/documents/ocha_opt_area_c_map_2011_02_22.pdf I really don't understand your point or why you keeping bringing up "Jews". All Israelis are allowed to vote for the Israeli government. All Palestinians are allowed to vote for the Palestinian government. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 I really don't understand your point or why you keeping bringing up "Jews". All Israelis are allowed to vote for the Israeli government. All Palestinians are allowed to vote for the Palestinian government. The reason I bring up the word 'Jews' is that only Jewish residents in the West Bank get to vote for who rules them. Whether you live in areas A, B or C, the ultimate authority is Israel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam4267 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 The reason I bring up the word 'Jews' is that only Jewish residents in the West Bank get to vote for who rules them. Whether you live in areas A, B or C, the ultimate authority is Israel. So you think Muslim, Christian and Druze Israelis don't get to vote? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 So you think Muslim, Christian and Druze Israelis don't get to vote? They do if they were allowed to stay behind the pre 1967 borders, although their rights to equal treatment and services such as education and political representation are severely restricted. I doubt if any have been offered Israeli citizenship if they live in the West Bank. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam4267 Posted November 4, 2014 Share Posted November 4, 2014 They do if they were allowed to stay behind the pre 1967 borders, although their rights to equal treatment and services such as education and political representation are severely restricted. I doubt if any have been offered Israeli citizenship if they live in the West Bank. I would agree that no Muslim, Druze or Christian Israelis were offered citizenship - mainly because they are already Israeli citizens so don't need to be offered it. Why would any Palestinian in the West Bank want Israeli citizenship? You can't have an independence movement while at the same wanting citizenship from the country you want independence from. Israeli did actually offer citizenship to the 300,000 Palestinians in East Jerusalem but most rejected it as they don't want to be Israelis. Yes, they actually rejected the chance to vote and fully take part in Israeli life - the thing which you seem to be suggesting they are denied. Your ignorance and the incoherence of your argument is truly astounding. Just to sum up for you this hard to grasp point: Palestinians don't want to be Israeli - they want to be Palestinian. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jock001 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 I really don't understand your point or why you keeping bringing up "Jews". All Israelis are allowed to vote for the Israeli government. All Palestinians are allowed to vote for the Palestinian government. Yes, all isrealis are automatically allowed the vote and all jews are automatically allowed to be isrealis. Therefore jews from america get to vote on what gets done with the land of muslims from palestine and the palestinains don't. However yoiu obviously already knew that and were once again trying to cover up the disgusting actions of israel. Also, please explain how you think families living in Northern Ireland are just as much settlers as scum stealing land from palestine because palestine doesn't have an army to defend itself? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Murdoch owned newspaper, says it all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 That wasn't the question. Here's a wee map. Only Jews are allowed to vote for their rulers in the brown bits, and in bits of the beige bits. This is how Israel has striven for a 2 state solution. ie. by doing every they can to subvert it. http://www.ochaopt.org/documents/ocha_opt_area_c_map_2011_02_22.pdf Dont waste your time with him , its like argueing with a creationist.it doesnt matter how much facts or evidence you give him ..its all lies ...heres the truth about Israels phoney democracy and voting rights... http://972mag.com/who-gets-to-vote-in-israels-democracy/58756/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam4267 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Murdoch owned newspaper, says it all. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22310544 Shocking, but not suprising, to see people actually supporting Palestinian terrorism on the streets of Scotland 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam4267 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Meanwhile there has been yet another terrorist attack in Jerusalem. How can we ever expect to achieve peace while Palestinian terrorists and their international supporters still think violence is the only answer? http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/Car-slams-into-pedestrians-in-Jerusalem-in-suspected-terror-attack-380834 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Shocking, but not suprising, to see people actually supporting Palestinian terrorism on the streets of Scotland Shocking, but not surprising, to see people actually supporting Israeli terrorism on the streets of Gaza. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam4267 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Shocking, but not surprising, to see people actually supporting Israeli terrorism on the streets of Gaza. Where? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 I would agree that no Muslim, Druze or Christian Israelis were offered citizenship - mainly because they are already Israeli citizens so don't need to be offered it. Why would any Palestinian in the West Bank want Israeli citizenship? You can't have an independence movement while at the same wanting citizenship from the country you want independence from. Israeli did actually offer citizenship to the 300,000 Palestinians in East Jerusalem but most rejected it as they don't want to be Israelis. Yes, they actually rejected the chance to vote and fully take part in Israeli life - the thing which you seem to be suggesting they are denied. Your ignorance and the incoherence of your argument is truly astounding. Just to sum up for you this hard to grasp point: Palestinians don't want to be Israeli - they want to be Palestinian. Where do you suggest a Palestinian state should be now Israel has chopped the West Bank up into isolated Bantustans divided by Israeli roads, Israeli military checkpoints and Israeli only settlements? The reason Israel will never give the vote to those they rule in the West Bank is that they don't want to have to share power with non Jews. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam4267 Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 Where do you suggest a Palestinian state should be now Israel has chopped the West Bank up into isolated Bantustans divided by Israeli roads, Israeli military checkpoints and Israeli only settlements? The reason Israel will never give the vote to those they rule in the West Bank is that they don't want to have to share power with non Jews. 1/4 of Israel's population is non Jewish. Don't let the facts get in the way of your racist ramblings though. It's illuminating to see how the most fervent, yet most ignorant, Israel hating posters like yourself and The King also constantly bring up Judaism and "the Jews" at every opportunity 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 5, 2014 Share Posted November 5, 2014 1/4 of Israel's population is non Jewish. And that's the way they intend to keep it. How come it's ok for you to use the J word and not me? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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