LongTimeLurker Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, AlanCamelonfan said: What's the difference between that and camelon and dunipace were historically in different leagues. Dunipace and kilsyth now You got to have a choice over it as a Stirlingshire club is the obvious difference. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: You got to have a choice over it as a Stirlingshire club is the obvious difference. Your not jumping up and down about that because it's not suiting your purpose. You have to draw a line somewhere. Although I think a straight line isn't the answer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, AlanCamelonfan said: Hart hill and shotts. Fauldhouse and forth all next to each other When lines have to be drawn somewhere, it is better to use local authority boundaries than something as arbitrary as a line of latitude. As things stand if there was a club in Invergowrie they would be in the LL catchment and unable to play against Dundee clubs. That's bonkers and easily avoided by using a different approach. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 Just now, LongTimeLurker said: When lines have to be drawn somewhere, it is better to use local authority boundaries than something as arbitrary as a line of latitude. As things stand if there was a club in Invergowrie they would be in the LL catchment and unable to play against Dundee clubs. That's bonkers and easily avoided by using a different approach. County boundaries isn't the answer because it's the same scenario a line is drawn somewhere. Kello is in Dumfries and Galloway but its clearly easier for them to travel to ayrshire so its not that simple. I again point you have no objection to juniors doing it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: When lines have to be drawn somewhere, it is better to use local authority boundaries than something as arbitrary as a line of latitude. As things stand if there was a club in Invergowrie they would be in the LL catchment and unable to play against Dundee clubs. That's bonkers and easily avoided by using a different approach. Also shotts in north Lanarkshire. Forth south Lanarkshire and fauldhouse in west Lothian. All right next to each other 3 different councils. Two different junior regions 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) Personally think if the EoS can handle having Jeanfield and Kinnoull then all of Perthshire and all of Angus can easily be on the LL side of things along with Argyll and Bute. Anything north of that is HL. Montrose Roselea can be grandfathered in where they are. Edited October 1, 2019 by LongTimeLurker -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Personally think if the EoS can handle having Jeanfield and Kinnoull then all of Perthshire and all of Angus can easily be on the LL side of things along with Argyll and Bute. Anything north of that is HL. Montrose Roselea can be grandfathered in where they are. No they cant. Carnoustie is closer to Aberdeen than it is to Edinburgh. Had in 2002 tayside been sent north would we be having this discussion because that's where they should have went. It's just because that's where they were in the juniors. You could include perthshire clubs who actually moved around in junior structure. They were in central division with fife clubs 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 (edited) Well aware that the old pre-2002 east region never wanted Tayside back when the superleagues came in and understand that helped to drive the mass defection to the EoS as well. Thing is the HL catchment has never been south of Aberdeen, so you have to take that into account. What I'm suggesting is that the HL should only cover its traditional catchment. Fraserburgh to Fort William or Wick is a very long drive that makes Carnoustie to Camelon look like a stroll in the park by comparison. A lot of people in the central belt don't grasp the distances involved in an area where there are no motorways. Edited October 1, 2019 by LongTimeLurker 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted October 1, 2019 Author Share Posted October 1, 2019 Well aware that the old pre-2002 east region never wanted Tayside back when the superleagues came in and understand that helped to drive the mass defection to the EoS as well. Thing is the HL catchment has never been south of Aberdeen, so you have to take that into account. What I'm suggesting is that the HL should only cover its traditional catchment. Fraserburgh to Fort William or Wick is a very long drive that makes Carnoustie to Camelon look like a stroll in the park by comparison. A lot of people in the central belt don't grasp the distances involved in an area where there are no motorways.Tayside had hee haw to do with clubs leaving for the EoS. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: Well aware that the old pre-2002 east region never wanted Tayside back when the superleagues came in and understand that helped to drive the mass defection to the EoS as well. Thing is the HL catchment has never been south of Aberdeen, so you have to take that into account. What I'm suggesting is that the HL should only cover its traditional catchment. Fraserburgh to Fort William or Wick is a very long drive that makes Carnoustie to Camelon look like a stroll in the park by comparison. A lot of people in the central belt don't grasp the distances involved in an area where there are no motorways. I understand what your saying but you've got to divide it correctly so their is a balance. At tier 6 aberdeen and tayside isn't end of the world stuff and is closer than going to camelon or dunipace. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 2 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: If you want to run/watch a football club in the north east of Scotland within the pyramid then you play in the appropriate feeder, if not stay junior. Its time the SJFA was scrapped and the Scottish cup is meaningless now so who cares? An all encompassing non-league trophy would be far better. Problem is that for those that run/watch football in the North East of Scotland they don't believe there is an appropriate feeder. The Highland League requires licensing and especially now with the introduction of floodlights that's a cost too far on top of everything else. SJFA should be scrapped Junior Scottish Cup isn't meaningless and will probably be the best attended non-league game of the season Nobody has got round to proposing a national non-league trophy and perhaps never will 2 hours ago, Burnie_man said: There's no issue with the SoS, you're the only one bringing this up. I'm not the only one brining it up. It has been nearly two years since BSC put out the first feelers for a WoSFL. Since then the standing of the SoSFL has been brought up in multiple times. An independent WoSFL where the SoSFL is raided for teams. LL2 and LL2 West. SoSFL has a backdoor to a WoSFL by taking in enough applicants to replicate the EoSFL Conference model. 32 minutes ago, Burnie_man said: There is only an obvious issue amongst a couple of posters on Pie & Bovril. At the risk of repeating myself, the status of the SoS has NEVER been an issue at PWG, so one presumes that nobody has an issue with it, or at the very least, have bigger fish to fry before even considering whether it needs reviewed. It's a red herring to muddy the waters, as you have just demonstrated. Tayside is a completely unrelated issue and yes, they fall into the HL area as has ben discussed to death, the boundary line exists. Historically, they never played Edinburgh or West Lothian clubs before 2002 out with the Junior Cup (they also entered the East of Scotland Cup in 2002 for the first time since about 1890 something), and they continue to play North Region clubs in a regional cup. They have no historical attachment to playing in the same set-up as Lothians clubs, and probably should have gone north in the 2002 shake up. If the PGB move the boundary line, then that's another discussion entirely. Going by the evidence of the PWG people know the standing of the SoSFL has not been brought into question in the PWG. But it is known that the Lowland League set up their own working group for a LL2 so there has been discussion amongst clubs over how to best arrange Tier 6. Pie & Bovril is a football forum people are free to talk about what they want. Which is you have people coming up with 16/18 Scottish Premierships that nobody in the SPFL are talking about either. As for Tayside it does fall in the North of the boundary. If we go back to the pesky PWG meetings it's clear it has been a topic of discussion and there are those amongst that are quite happy for the Tayside clubs to fall within the Lowland League region. The SoSFL, EoSFL, West Premiership and East Super League proposal went before the PGB and they didn't say anything to stop it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted October 1, 2019 Author Share Posted October 1, 2019 The standing of the SoS has never formally been challenged by anyone. Not at PWG, not by the SFA and their LL play-off plan. Nobody has questioned their existence sitting alongside the EoS (and future west) and I can't see that changing anytime soon.Tayside has been talked about at PWG, and will need further discussions along with the future of the ERJFA if there is to be a solution.Neither of these affect the west coming in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert James Posted October 1, 2019 Share Posted October 1, 2019 On 30/09/2019 at 22:20, G4Mac said: Pretty much. The sjfa are irrelevant in this. Their members voted to join the pyramid. Let them reform as the new wos association for all I care. But the pyramid only works with one strand below the LL in each region (West, East and South). There is no requirement for anymore than that. With the nrsjfa feeding the HL. A simple structure. Nothing difficult about it. Everything is there already for each area. What is stopping us I wonder? ....and the NCL who have already said they would wish to join a highland pyramid, as a separate feeder league, covering the Inverness, the north/west highlands, and the islands. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 On 01/10/2019 at 21:18, Burnie_man said: I was having a think today about merging ERSJFA into EOSFL. I worked out a way of getting the South plus Tayport in. The other 17 teams from the North would join up with North until the boundary either changes or some other solution. So how I did it for next season was based on who I thought would finish where so don't get upset if your teams in a different division. So 3 up and 3 down scenario from Premier lEague to First division for this season. So first division would be made up of the 3 relegated from premier and 2nd to 5th from the two conferences minus the playoff winner plus Tayport and the top 5 of the East Super League South. Giving 16 teams. With Eyemouth returning that would leave 15 from EOSFL and 15 left from ERSJFA South to go into the 2nd Divsion Which I thought best was regional as that had been the worry of many of the smaller teams at tier 8. That would be split 3 way North, West, South of 10 teams playing each otehr 3 times. 3 champions promoted and 3 relegated from 1st division which may require a few teams to move divisions to make it work at division 2 level as happens in Englsih Non League. So here it goes. East of Scotland Premiership 2020-21 1. bo'ness/vale of leithen 2. Penicuik Athletic 3. Hill O'Beath 4. Tynecastle FC 5. Musselburgh Athletic 6. Newtongrange Star 7. Sauchie Juniors 8. Dundonald Bluebell 9. Tranent Juniors 10. Leith Athletic 11. Crossgates Primrose 12. Linlithgow Rose 13. Jeanfield Swifts 14. Broxburn Athletic 15. Camelon Juniors 16. Kinnoull Division 1 1. Whitehill Welfare 2. Blackburn United 3. Dunbar United 4.Haddington Athletic 5. Heriot Watt Uni 6. Dunipace 7..Inverkeithing Hillfield Swifts 8. Preston Athletic 9.. Glenrothes 10. Edinburgh United 11. Tayport 12. Fauldhouse United 13. Thornton Hibs 14. Livingston United 15. Pumpherston 16. Whitburn Juniors Divison 2 North 1. Kennoway Star Hearts 2. Lochore Welfare 3. Newburgh 4. Kirkcaldy 5. Rosyth 6. St.Andrews United 7. Burnt Island Shipyard 8. Oakley United 9. Sauchie Juniors CFC 10. Lochgelly Albert Division 2 West 1. Bathgate Thistle 2. Armadale Thistle 3. Harthill Royal 4. Stoneyburn 5. Linlithgow Rose Community 6. Bo'ness United Juniors 7. Syngenta 8. West Calder United 9. Stirling Uni EOSFL 10. Craigroyston Division 2 SOuth 1. Dalkeith Thistle 2. Coldstream 3. Arniston Rangers 4. Hawick Royal Albert United 5. Ormiston 6. Peebles Rovers 7. Easthouses Lily 8. Tweedmouth Rangers 9. Eyemouth United 10. Lothian Thistle Hutchison Vale 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutankhamen Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 On 1 October 2019 at 21:18, Burnie_man said: The standing of the SoS has never formally been challenged by anyone. Not at PWG, not by the SFA and their LL play-off plan. Nobody has questioned their existence sitting alongside the EoS (and future west) and I can't see that changing anytime soon. Tayside has been talked about at PWG, and will need further discussions along with the future of the ERJFA if there is to be a solution. Neither of these affect the west coming in. Future West? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 SFA big wigs attending the west juniors meeting tonight. Wonder what’s on the agenda.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason King Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 tick tock tick tock for the dinosaurs that have held the West back for so long, time to move on and embrace the future. Pyramid or obsolescence. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanCamelonfan Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 14 hours ago, Jason King said: tick tock tick tock for the dinosaurs that have held the West back for so long, time to move on and embrace the future. Pyramid or obsolescence. What's happening then. Is it move the west as is and leave east behind or is it apply for new league 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnie_man Posted October 18, 2019 Author Share Posted October 18, 2019 I hear the PWG will have their next meeting in December, not sure when exactly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted October 18, 2019 Share Posted October 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Burnie_man said: I hear the PWG will have their next meeting in December, not sure when exactly. So much for a sense of urgency then! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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