Yoss

That's one of the reasons I never took advantage of the name-changing thing, if you immediately realised you've screwed up you've got a month before you can change it back, right? (Plus, Yoss suits me well anyway.)

Why are you calling yourself Ric?

No, I give us a decent chance too. I'm still expecting Livi to take the automatic spot off the map, for starters.

Of course relegation is a possibility. (Though I'm not "expecting" it.)

Isn't currently or hasn't at any stage? See D-Jay's post at 03:02 this morning, he sounded like he knew what he was talking about (though I appreciate that doesn't mean anything on p&b).

I'll work on it.

Stop being right? You ask much of me.

Gretna's relegation to the third division was because of issues with their ground, not simply a response to administration.

Let's remember it's only last year that Marv agreed to cancel his contract while injured because the club couldn't afford it - the man is a legend and owes us nothing. And no we can't run the club on sentiment (nor are we doing) but for fans to be getting narky with him now is a bit rich. If McGlynn has a problem with it, he's quite capable of dealing with it as he sees fit. Keep the faith guys.

Everyone seems to be assuming that McGlynn is hanging on Marv and not doing what he would be doing anyway. I don't see that, no we haven't signed another centre-back yet but what of it, we haven't signed a striker yet either. I daresay he's not relying on Marv by this stage and is getting on with what he has to do, assessing options and probably playing some trialists in the first couple of games - if Marv has a change of heart and comes back to us after all then fine. I seem to keep saying this, but I'm glad McGlynn isn't panicking as much as most of the rest of us.

That's not going to happen - we've just signed three wingers.

Ah, cheers. (Kutski)

I'd be delighted to have Pelosi back. That said, he was better on the ball / going forward, not sure how great a defender he is, which ought to be the priority given we'll be under pressure quite often. But still, I'd be delighted. Hill wasn't a reject was he? I thought he'd Alloa down to look elsewhere. No idea how good he is, really hard to judge defenders on the basis of a handful of games when you're not especially looking out for them, but he seemed to be highly rated for a while at least, and is youngish for a defender yet. (Edit: I've just checked some of the end-of-season comments on the 2nd division forum and the Alloa fans were slightly less enthused than I'd remembered.) Whether it's these two or others, I'm guessing we'll be playing with a couple of trialists at the weekend.

So, any truth in the rumours on Fantalk about Dougie Hill and Marco Pelosi training with us?

He can rant with some eloquence though.

That wasn't in any way a complaint about p&b, in case any mods thought otherwise, quite happy with it as it is. There's another site where I have mod powers but I've almost never had to use them, you can call as many people as many things as you like. (Granted it's a site with a smaller throughput and there are rarely any problems anyway.) Is Dafc.net independent or is it linked to the club?

And I thought p&b was a bit strict.

Quality. Do mods on fantalk not put up with such behaviour then?

Never mind eh, we might get Scott Thomson.

Yeah, likewise. The only one I can think of who might've been decent and within our range is Kevin James, and I suspect he was always destined for Ayr after his loan spell anyway. And I don't rate him as highly as Marv.

Yes I am but that might not be a good thing. Only McGlynn can tell us of other potential targets have drifted / are drifting by while we're waiting. I doubt he'd have let the situation go on if he really thought that was happening, but who knows. In any case, while the club can't be run on sentiment, if anyone is owed a bit of breathing space, it's Marv. We can hardly accuse him of being a mercenary, on past record.

Nope.

But Massone is still there and still apparently refusing to accept reality - "pulling together" behind such an incompetent regime is just throwing good money after bad. The money that the Trust could put up now, and the money from maybe a few hundred more season ticket sales, it's going to make much of a dent in the current debt, what's the point of people doing that when those running the club don't even show any sign of reducing expenditure to the extent of stopping the debts from piling up further? If they were really serious about living within the club's means then why haven't they gone down Clyde's route of being ruthless with the playing staff budget? Is yet a further reduction from the council and wellwishers working for nothing really their best plan to reduce costs? Is Massone's flat and car still ebing billed to the club? Is he still taking a wage? Some of these questions may have been asked and asnwered to peoples' satisfaction at the meeting, obviously I'm fronting on nothing because I wasn't there. But the only reports that have been forthcoming so far suggest pity and charity are there main schemes to reduce costs. Unless and until there are are signs that the mettle is being properly grasped I wouldn't recommend anyone pulls together behind the current owners.

I think they feel the club isn't saveable under the current regime and no amount of trying to work with it will do any good. And I think they're probably right. Wimbledon do indeed have volunteers doing all sorts of stuff but as the pevious poster said, the Trust runs the club. They've shown what can be done but they've done it entirely under their own steam and did so not by working with by by breaking from the businessmen who previously owned the club and who wanted people to help them out of the hole they'd made for themselves through bad investment.

Sounds like pretty much what I said earlier in the week then. Massone would go but only if he's paid back the money he or his backers have "lent" to the club over the past year to cover operating costs. At some point, before or after they go into administration, he's going to have to accept that that's just not going to happen. It's difficult to see any progress until that realisation hits home.