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So, we're looking at a situation whereby no matter the amount of debt, no matter how it was racked up, no matter the setting up of dodgy offshore payment schemes, and no matter how much of a shyster and manipulator the new owner is - administration is his call, deliberately played at the appropriate moment to set himself up nicely and to allow his club to cheat their way out of a crisis built up over many years of buying success and cheating. It's OK though - they're a football club. Not a normal business? Someone please tell me I'm wrong.

So far, responses are going the way I expected. Pretty much along the lines of no matter how it's achieved, Rangers WILL find a way out of this.... I'm genuinely not praying that they bite the dust, no really, but they DESERVE to bite the dust. If it pans out the way many of us seem to think it will - I.E. Rangers carry on following some short term pain, but in the grand scheme of things, having dodged their debts and eventually re-emerge smelling of roses... then why don't we all just say 'fcuk it' and let's see us diddy clubs spend what we don't have, cheat the taxpayer, do whatever it takes to enjoy some success and worry about the consequences later? Anyone think they WON'T dodge the big hammer blow? If so, what will it take for Rangers to actually be the first to fall in a long list of big-name clubs, especially down South, who rack up massive debts and unpaid tax bills - but don't actually bite the dust, they always manage to pull back from the brink. Is it just as simple as HMRC making a stand, digging in their heels and making an example of Rangers, in order to flex their muscles in relation to even bigger EPL club debt? Will they? Can they? Will Scottish politicians and the media, in association with the SPL and SFA be able to stop HMRC from actually killing off Rangers if that's what HMRC try to do?

Firstly, I know there's a multitude of threads running - many of which now only exist for our amusement, posting of 'pleasing' gifs, and general 'let's all laugh and point at Rangers' merriment.... The more I'm hearing though, the more I'm looking towards the actual end game here, and would like to gauge reaction as to where we will be a year, two years, however many years down the line. For as long as i remember I have personally felt disgusted by the way football clubs play fast and loose in a manner no 'normal' business can ever hope to get away with. I see this going the same way as so many clubs before them. They'll dodge the big one by playing the administration card. They won't be the first, they won't be the last. So, what's your prediction for the actual end to this? To my eyes it's all set up with Whyte knowing all along that he would decide when to play the administration joker card to position himself as main creditor. I genuinely believe some sort of deal will grudgingly be accepted by HMRC. There will be pain for Rangers - but they will indeed dodge the big hammer blow. Short term pain, longer term, they'll weasel a way to rise phoenix-like from administration, as I say, like so many morally bankrupt cheating football clubs before them. Thoughts? Hopefully not just of a 'LOL' nature! Really looking to see what you guys seriously see the end of this actually being when the dust settles.

Re: your earlier post about Morton having a plan of action should they win promotion - super stuff. I made my original post asking about your stadium because I did not know the situation. Best wishes for the rest of the campaign, hope Morton come up. The recent 4-3 game was a belter... more of the same on league business, in front of passionate sell-out crowds please!

Good stuff. Crack on with winning the league and we've got full-house derbies to look forward to at the Cappielow Upgraded New Topflight Stadium. Well, I think it's a good name!

Stadium sharing with us wouldn't work. We're already the designated home of the Scotland U21 side, and wouldn't want the pitch to be fecked - like Fir Park was when Gretna shared. I simply cannot imagine a Morton v St Mirren game, held at our stadium, which is a designated Morton home match. Morton fans in our three stands, with 'visiting' Saints fans in the away end North Stand only? Our corporate hospitality suite, which is decorated with graphics panels depicting St Mirren's history, full of Morton supporting prawn sandwich guests? Be still my aching heart! If I were you, I'd give Partick Thistle a call instead.

Seating and covered seating at that is only part of it. There's USH compliance, and toilet facilities, access routes, safety issues... etc. Remember we had to spend money building new safety exit staircases on our old main stand, and had to upgrade the access to the North Bank... never mind putting USH in for one season.

Where's the cash coming from? You bought our old Love Street end stand and couldn't afford to erect it. There's also a rumour that Rae has told your manager to do well, but not well enough to actually win the league... can't afford to go up. I'd love nothing more than to see Renfrewshire derbies in the SPL by the way, so I'm not trying to be funny - I just don't see you being allowed up, unless you pull a huge rabbit out of a hat and attain SPL stadium compliance. Falkirk were knocked back - the suits in charge have previous in this area. You'll be fcuked if Aberdeen or Hibs finish bottom - there would be dodgy league reconstruction before you could say boo to a goose.

I haven't read the thread, so apologies - no doubt this has been mentioned. One for the 'Ton fans... if you actually win Div 1, where would you play SPL football?

Sing along while we're waiting to the tune of Bohemian Rhapsody.... Mama, I just killed a club, Went to Hampden, but was banned, Wouldn't sell for twenty grand... Mama, Livvy was such fun, But now I've gone and thrown it all away... Mama, ooh-ooh-ooh, Cannae' even drive my car, Cos' I got pished in a bar....

Should change his name by deed poll to Rowan Alexander.

Massone is about to go, And leave behind this farce. The drummer boy will miss him, With his visits up his arse. Again - needs a bit of work.

The odds of Livvy pulling through, Are just about to shorten. Angelo's got 5 quid left, Enough to buy up Morton.

They used to be Ferranti, And once were Meadowbank. Now they're out in Livingston, And their Chairman is a w**k. Needs a bit of polishing, but it's nearly there.

...and a 'nae luck pal' to the lottery buffoon that allowed himself to be taken for a ride..... When you add up all the chunts involved, is it any wonder most of us want to see them put to sleep ASAP.

If you see Davie Hay, Dominic Keane, Pearse Flynn, Angelo Massone, that fcuking drummer, or Livvy the Lion - would you tell them they're all complete cnuts for me please. Thanks.

....invited to join the Premiership.

Good stuff. Get the stadium sorted, then get your sorry ass into the SPL, so we can hump you in a meaningful situation instead of just the pre-season friendly that is the Renfrewshire Cup. Four in a row.....and counting.

Exactly mate. I've been there myself...

No-one at Livingston has pissed me off, but I agree with him - I look at clubs like East Fife and Dumbarton who have built decent stands, and are running title winning operations on a budget they can sustain - and if they got in trouble, I'd certainly help out with a pound or two in a supporters' collection bucket. Clubs like Gretna and Livingston deserve(d) all the bile that is spouted in their direction.... Is there enough sand in the world for Massone to bury his head in by the way?

Why should they? I'm pretty sure West Lothian Council own premises that are rented out to businesses. I worked in Hamilton, in a South Lanarkshire Council Business Park, and my boss rented two units there. When the business got into trouble, firstly we weren't allowed to rack up unpaid rent debts, and secondly, we weren't allowed to rack up unpaid debts to the Inland Revenue. Thirdly, the Council didn't come knocking on our door offering a two-thirds rent reduction.... Fcuking Livingston have been dreadfully mis-managed for far too long. They have already been in administration for fcuk sake, and are currently being run by a complete cnut. Football clubs do indeed have an 'emotional' attatchment to them, but this fcuking mob have a 14 year history FFS - and have proved to be about as adept at running a manageable business as I would be flying the space shuttle.... Bullet. Eyes. Now.

Code: 'Insert code box' is easy enough, but the type in it is too wee, so I couldnae' be ersed... How's the Love Street end stand looking by the way? Still just a pile of steel rusting away, with no funds to even erect it yet?

Code: Unfortunately Cappielow is a shitehole ground in a shitehole part of a shitehole town, and sadly for us, no supermarket gives a flying fcuk about building here, so we might as well forget about it, and buy old bits of Love Street to tart up Crappielow. Life's a bitch.

Absolutely - look how long Hitler managed to stay in Europe.

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