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11 minutes ago, theundisputedvoiceofreason said:
Dundees bottle went first. Your board and chairman are the laughing stock of UK football. Fact.
Don't talk pish.
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4 minutes ago, thistledo said:
Swift and decisive response from a football club. Probably not something you're used to m9.
Enjoy League 1. Bottle bags.
In other news, Les Gray has announced Sky MUST have 4 OF games per season. How do we work that into a 14 team league?
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Partick Thistle's latest statement highlights they're a bunch of shitebags. All talk.
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3 minutes ago, RossDee01 said:
United fans spent the night they won the league responding to 1 single Dundee fans bait tweet. It’s not just their fans who can’t get us out of their heads.
So did half their players.
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1 minute ago, Skyline Drifter said:
Not sure what age you are but we had 14 team leagues on the basis of your option 3 for more than a decade and it worked ok. Not ideal but there wasnt a massive groundswell against them either. Of course they werent in the top division.
Personally I dont want a 14 team league back either but the notion that they 'dont work' isnt really true.
You didnt seriously expect any reconstruction to be permanent did you? That wont happen for all the reasons already given. The top sides dont want it and there wasnt any particular groundswell for reconstruction before this. I always assumed we would be looking at a temporary dolution to placate the relegated sides with it going back to the existing structure asap.
That is naive to be honest. The only reason restructure is on the table is because it was accepted that it wasnt entirely fair to relegate the bottom sides without completing the fixtures. There wasnt any great campaign for it before. Indeed Scottish football seemed relatively comfortable sith the setup. I doubt there would be any significant support at the top level for permanent change.
Personally I dont particularly want a bigger top division unless iit went to two divisions of 20/22 but I dont see that happening and the televised OF games are worth too much to drop two of them.
What's your reasoning for a 20/22 set up? Honestly couldn't think of anything worse. I'm not posing that as a loaded question either - genuinely want to know what the argument for it is as it sounds like it'd make the league season dull as hell to me.
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14 minutes ago, Nifty Fae Douglas said:
Obviously owned by Dundee FC......It goes down, then goes flat....
I realise you're having a wee pop at Dundee here, but it's quite shite.
Is the drink worth buying on my next essential shop?
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3 minutes ago, yorkshirepud said:24 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:It's a lot of pish.
What benefit is there for young players to play in dead rubber games at the end of every season?
St Johnstone were involved in a relegation battle for the first half of this season. The two best players we've had this season, in terms of progression, are the youngest two players in Ali McCann and Callum Hendry.
High pressure competitive games are better for young players than dead ones. Clubs will use young players if they're good enough.We need to get rid of this mentality that every game needs to be important.
This is utter shite. Every game is of absolute importance when your fans are paying £20 and above to get in and so it should be.
I have no problem paying the over expensive season ticket cost, but many people do. Many more would too if they thought there would be a large batch of games that were of no importance.
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2 minutes ago, ArabAuslander said:
Why are Ayr so against a 14 team Premiership, it gives them a massive chance of promotion to the big time. Or is Lachlan Cameron just a walloper?
Just to give you an insight into the working mind of Lachlan Cameron - He believes that Trump is doing a good job and that the corona virus is a Chinese flu - well, based on his Twitter feed anyway.
Decide for yourself.
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2 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:
All hes right about is how forcing in a half baked temporary reconstruction in a blind panic to appease everyone isnt the best plan.
If it's being done they need to discuss it, with all 42 clubs and the lower tiers in the pyramid, over the course of a year. Discuss every possible outcome/variable and work out the best approach.
Surely, since the likes of Hearts and Partick are wanting reconstruction "for the good of the game", they'll accept being relegated now if it means a proper reconstruction comes later....
This is the perfect time to have serious discussions on every aspect of our game. There's nothing else going on (In terms of football, obviously).
Deep, open and frank discussions about the future should be going on, on a pretty much constant basis. We've a lull of time here to really try and address the problems within our game and that's why I was so supportive of Nelms taking time to consider his position (That and it was bloody great entertainment). If we waste this opportunity and time to discuss the way forward then I doubt we'll ever learn.
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1 minute ago, Dele said:
Is it Nelms or is it the club?
I'm sure the club had something to do with the tie up - maybe Nelms is just seen as the elected head?
Maybe - I was on the Hearts forum and they were discussing Nelms and posted a link to the Company House website. I was just shocked to see his name attached to it at all as I've seen the drink, but didn't know we or Nelms had anything to do with it.
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Just now, RandomGuy. said:
Budge is never the answer, she doesnt care about the football up here at all.
This is the woman who wants half the clubs punted out the league system.
This is the woman who's forcing away fans from Tynecastle by closing half the stand sp fans only have the options of premium priced tickets.
This is the woman who demanded Hearts fans fund a stand, that she then gave to her brother, rather than an actual building firm, and when the price escalated due to having a shite company on the job, went back to Hearts fans asking for more.
This is the woman who's refusing to lower season ticket prices after relegation.
This is the woman who only wants Hearts to stay up so she can charge the fans more to take over the club.
Shes fucking awful. She'll suggest a 14 team top flight that goes back to what we have in 12 month, and your genuine, once in a decade, chance of change will be gone to fund her ego. Any chance of long term change was fucked the moment she was allowed to lead it.
Can't disagree with that. I'll wait for her proposal in full but her statement this morning has fair burst my bubble somewhat.
I, evidently naively, thought she'd fight for a 14 team league in order to save Hearts. I never for one second thought she'd have the gall to introduce it purely as a one season temporary measure to protect Hearts.
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10 minutes ago, yorkshirepud said:
I can't remember every detail of the conversation and don't claim to speak for him, but the gist of it was variety. Playing the same teams over and over again is boring. It is possible to play the same team 8 times in a season at our level. With 18 or 20 you see different teams and the league tends to be more evenly spread. Ten team leagues can see teams detached if they are either too strong or too weak for the rest. (See Brechin for details) This is less likely with more teams as there is likelier to be a larger group of similar teams.
From a personal perspective I don't see the "meaningless games" argument. I see it as time to play some fringe players and try different formations. It is no coincidence Scottish football produced some terrific players in the 60's and 70's when we had larger leagues but this dried up when we moved to a 10 team top division as the fear factor stifled creativity and brought about a safety-first culture.Scottish clubs struggle to get fans through the gate as is for games that have meaning.
Would TV and fans be excited by the prospect Dundee vs St Mirren for the 2nd time this season in a mid-table battle or Dundee vs St Mirren battling it out in a crucial 6 pointer for survival or promotion? TV probably don't care about either, but I know what I'd be more excited about attending.
Take your point on youth development though, hadn't thought of it from that angle.
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1 minute ago, RandomGuy. said:
I'm not sure what else you expected when Budge got involved, tbh.
She doesnt give a single f**k about "the good of Scottish football", it's all about what's best for her. Only issue is Dundee have let her be in charge, so expect her to somehow find a way to shaft lower league sides long term.
It's a horrible fact, but she is the best hope we've got. If it weren't for Hearts being in this position and her constant habit of getting involved in absolutely everything, the idea of reconstruction would have been an instant no.
It's still a very slim chance, but Nelms has worked to give it the best possible chance and unfortunately, that's Ann bloody Budge.
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Just now, Robbo63 said:
If you read his statement, he is sensible and saying a 14 team league does not work
on looking at it he is right
1. if you play each team home and away twice =52 games ( no team would agree to that )
2. 1 home 1 away =26 games ( not enough games )
3. only works with playing each team 3 times , then you get the debate who gets the 2 home games
He wants 18 Or 20 play each team home and away gives you either 34 or 38 games which makes sense
An 18 or 20 team league is absolutely ridiculous and would be horrendous for the game. It's not sensible at all. Let's take St Mirren as an example - they are extremely unlikely to be in the hunt for Europe anytime soon and in an 18/20 team league they'd be very unlikely to have an exciting relegation battle. There existence (And I've just plucked them as an example there's a good 7-8 teams in this category) that wouldn't have much to play for before a ball is even kicked which would reduce any potential excitement in the league.
14 team league with a 6/8 split answers all those problems you presented.
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Based on Ann Budge's latest statement, it looks like she will propose a singular season of a 14 team top flight as she addresses it as a 'temporary restructure'.
That's probably the most likely way it'll get through but I'd be pissed off if we were doing it as just one and done and I can't believe I'm about to say this, but I'd lean more onto Cameron's side who states that it shouldn't just be done to save clubs. League reconstruction should be saving clubs - but it should be done to enhance the game going forward as well.
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1 minute ago, Fifespud said:
With regard to reconstruction and the comments that the Premiership teams won’t vote for it as it would cost them money. If you simply said the clubs finishing 13th and 14th get paid the same money as the teams currently finishing in 1st and 2 in the Championship do, then surely it would be cost neutral?
Games against the OF would be reduced which means less gate money. It's embarrassing that's what it comes down to, but you just need to look at the way St Johnstone bent over for Celtic this/last season.
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An 18 or 20 team top flight in Scotland would be utterly horrendous and leave a huge middle portion of the league with a vast amount of meaningless games every season. That's a horrendous shout.
I used to be an advocate for the 16 team top flight but even that's open to a large amount of boring, non events. Easily swayed on that one, but I think the 14 team league is just right.
What is Cameron's argument for an 18 or 20 team top flight?
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Been down the Google rabbit hole and found out that John Nelms is one of the directors of 71 Brewing. Anyone tried their stuff?
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Ashgar has deleted his tweet and made his twitter private.
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19 minutes ago, Gibby82 said:
f**k sake, Ludo.
That's fantastic mewling from the boy.In other news, I see Lachlan Cameron has already declared he'll vote against a 14 team top flight.
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5 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:
From who?
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Just now, RandomGuy. said:
TBF you've not actually got anything out of it.
Plastic talks about something that seems incredibly unlikely to be voted for.
And a shitload of cash.
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1 minute ago, mishtergrolsch said:
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An honorary strip for our league winning talisman.
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And I'd have been punted long ago. Fair point.