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22 hours ago, newcastle broon said:
It's far too weak a league to even be considered tier 6.
In that case it would be unlikely to provide a side capable of winning the play-offs for the Lowland League so there would be no point in being in it.
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9 hours ago, Robert James said:
I agree.
The real problem in the pyramid is the relegation/promotion between SPFL League 2 and Tier 5 (HFL/LL).
There should be one AUTOMATIC promotion place for the winners of the Highland/Lowland play-off, replacing the bottom SPFL club, which would be relegated to the HFL or LL.
In addition, the HFL/LL play-off losers should then have a play-off against the club which has finished bottom but one in League 2. The advantages are :
(1) it would open-up the promotion chances for ambitious pyramid clubs
(2) it would mirror the promotion/relegation system currently used throughout the SPFL
(3) it should give relegated SPFL clubs a better chance of returning to the SPFL
(4) it should encourage the top pyramid leagues to review the promotion and relegation between tiers 5 & 6.
The above could be introduced in TWO stages (over 2 or 3 seasons), which might be more palatable for SPFL clubs.
It should give relegated SPFL clubs a better chance of returning to the SPFL..
That would mean they would have to attract good enough players to win the league they get elegated into - which hasn't happened so far (but might in Brechin's case.)
As is stands SPFL clubs relegated into the Lowland League - most of whose players will be out of contract, being on one-year deals - seem to face a big problem in persuading enough good new ones to join a sinking ship.
Granted a Lowland club returning to the SPFL may occur in future but it doesn't look likely right now for precisely the reason above.
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6 hours ago, Worried Lochee Lad said:
You know what its like with rumors but this one seems to hold water. Player ask for his contract and when he got it it had been signed by someone else, wasn't his sgnature on it! You hope its not true cos forging players contracts is pretty low
Presumably though he knew he had a contract or he wouldn't have asked for it? And surely he would have signed one or he couldn't play?
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50 minutes ago, Tenkay said:
You're Very modest.
They're next 3 games I think (only had a brief skim of the fixtures)are away at Bonnyrigg, Annan and Forfar!) 3 tough games!
No way they'll get many points from that lot.
Relax man and get the Champagne open!
Sons are going up!
Are you a BInos fan in disguise?
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21 hours ago, HorseyGhirl said:
There are plenty who feel Cove, Kelty and Bonnyrigg shouldn't be there..
But why not include Annan and Elgin in that, then? Does snobbery not extend to them?
Don't be ridiculous. The teams have to play whoever the SPFL says they should.
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1 hour ago, HorseyGhirl said:
Imagine the gnashing of teeth and wailing from SPFL teams if Uni get promoted to League 2.
#priceless.
If they get promoted they get promoted. (And they'll probably deserve it.) They most likely wouldn't get past Brechin though.
And what's the difference in going to Forthbank to play them rather than the Binos?
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On 31/01/2023 at 20:06, stanley said:
If League Two was significantly stronger than the Lowland League then you'd expect the clubs to bounce back immediately.
Bottom tier SPFL clubs have players who are - mostly - on one-season contracts. (A result of Bosman.) Why should these teams be expected to bounce straight back up when the supposedly "stronger" players who took them down in all probability won't stay around for the next season? They're effectively starting from scratch - as Cowdenbeath had to at the start of this season - whereas the teams they will now be competing with are more likely to have a reasonably settled squad.
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2 hours ago, Greenmachine said:
An extra £50k makes a difference!
In the cases of E Stirling, Berwick and Cowdenbeath it clearly doesn't.
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10 hours ago, Greenmachine said:
They get a parachute payment to help them and they still get nowhere near coming back up.
That tells you all you need to know.
I refer you to my previous answer:-
Being relegated out of the SPFL immediately makes a club less attractive to players. This is for a club that has been on the slide (East Stirling a possible exception to that, since they perennially tended to struggle) and so less likely even to keep the players they had - who weren't good enough in any case.
Parachute payments don't alter any of this.
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18 hours ago, archieb said:
Brechin City, anybody?
They'll possibly get back up this year. But theyr'e in the Highland League so difficult to compare their case with E Stirling, Berwick and Cowden.
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23 hours ago, stanley said:
If League Two was significantly stronger than the Lowland League then you'd expect the clubs to bounce back immediately but not one team has gone down and won the Lowland League and, this season, the teams aren't even close.
Being relegated out of the SPFL immediately makes a club less attractive to players. This is for a club that has been on the slide (East Stirling a possible exception to that, since they perennially tended to struggle) and so less likely even to keep the players they had - who weren't good enough in any case.
Being promoted tends to mean higher crowds and a higher budget.
Hence being relegated means a lower budget and lower crowds.
Is it any wonder no team has yet gone back up?
It would be a miracle of sorts if one ever does bounce back straight away.
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9 hours ago, Hillonearth said:
No, they'd be better than the rest of the teams in the division by dint of the fact they finished top.
A tight league finish isn't indicative of the top team not being ready for promotion - more often it's indicative of it being a strong, competitive league where a whole group of sides are promotion-ready and have taken points off each other. I know in Scotland - especially in the Premier - we're inured to the scenario where the champions win at a twelve-point canter from second place who ends up another twenty points ahead of third, but it's not the norm.
And the concept of being "worthy" of promotion other than ending up top on the final day is entirely subjective - the criteria are entirely in the hand of the beholder. Let's say SPFL 2 ends roughly the way it stands at the moment as pretty much a two-horse race with Stirling winning their game in hand....would mean Dumbarton win the league by a single point leaving Stirling with a better goal difference.
Doesn't look that "worthy" to me TBH...I think you should both go in the playoffs because they did better in one of the metrics. See how ridiculous it looks?
It's purely protectionism, putting as many roadblocks and second chances for redemption in the way because every team from the Championship downwards knows fine well they're only a couple of shite seasons away from doing a Cowdenbeath....and they were in the Championship themselves a decade ago.
FFS. I'm not arguing against teams getting promoted if they win their leagues. Those are the rules. All I'm saying is that doesn't mean a team is worthy of promotion.
The last time Dumbarton won promotion it was through the play-offs. We had finished third - with a goal difference of zero. We went up because of the rules but was that finish worthy of promotion? Our start the next season would argue it wasn't.
The Scottish pyramid has been in place for barely three seasons yet people are pushing to have it changed yesterday.
The English pyramid took much longer than that even to achieve one promotion to the Football League. Two promotions only happened after teams had been promoted back into it again. A team getting back up hasn't yet happened in Scotland. If it does it might be a catalyst for change.
As it stands dropping into the Lowland League (as opposed to the Highland) looks like a one-way street. That will continue as long as players look at the teams coming down into it as doubtful challengers to get back again.
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On 25/01/2023 at 22:24, Thejackdaw said:
That's a bit like saying a team that win the champions league aren't really worthy winners as they ' only ' won the final on penalties after winning most group games then knock-out games up until then in 90 minutes .
No it isn't. If they won most group games and knock-out games they were clearly better than the teams they beat. In the scenario I cited the "top" team could be argued to be only luckier than the rest in their division - and not much better than the bottom one.
The point I was trying to make was that while the poster I quoted said they would be worthy of promotion they obviously wouldn't have demonstrated that worthiness. Under the rules they'd still get promoted though.
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6 hours ago, approximately dave said:
It was interesting to see Threave join the West and see we will see how far up they can progress.
It doesn't look to be going well so far.....
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11 hours ago, Richey Edwards said:
Winning a league already proves a team worthy of promotion. No need for a play-off.
Even if it was on a goal difference of one (or even one more goal scored) over five other teams on the same number of points and they're all only six or so points above the bottom team in their division? A scenario like that (however unlikely: it is possible) argues they aren't worthy of promotion. Nor would the rest of the teams in that division be.
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13 hours ago, Sweet Pete said:
Given that you have/had a weird pathological drive to go to Cliftonhill, you won't like it. It's a nice stadium.
Don't mock Cliftonhill. It's bottled nostalgia in a football ground.
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On 14/01/2023 at 21:50, GNU_Linux said:
Caledonian Braves deux sont un peu merdiquesSeulement un peu?
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21 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said:
The lower two divisions of the SPFL are only there because the voting structure makes it impossible to jettison them.
Well they do act as a safety net for when Rangers go bust.
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2 hours ago, FifeSons said:
I’m really hoping it’s on. I’ve never been before and it’s a ground I’ve long wanted to tick off.
For those of us long in the tooth it's wonderfully nostalgic of the football grounds of our youth.
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6 hours ago, George Parr said:
I'd say the run of form CT produced in the Championship before succumbing to injury and fitness issues is probably the most complete I've seen from any Sons midfielder. For a few months he was untouchable.
Watching Morocco's Safyan Amrabat at the World Cup I was reminded of Chris Turner....
(It might have been the bald head though.)
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1 hour ago, O'Kelly Isley III said:
Results are important, of course they are, it's why we are in business, but win, lose or draw Saturday will be a day of celebration for the club. Three points would be the absolute cherry on the cake
Oh, agreed.
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3 hours ago, microdave said:
That would be quite fitting. Very Dumbarton. Hopefully it'll be more like the final Boghead result.
I've had the fear about this fixture ever since it was announced.
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7 hours ago, bravehearts dad said:
They only beat us at Boghead with a soft penalty.
Boghead?
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3 hours ago, VodkaTap said:
???????
I think Edinburgh Blue was referring to the fact that the original Rangers went bust.
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The only ones that haven't been in a higher division in the recent past are Annan and Elgin.
Also, I doubt any team relegated from the SPFL has lacked the ambition to go back up, they just haven't managed to attract players good enough to do it. For which there are understandable reasons, not least what I presume is players' unwllingness to join them.