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Does anybody have the Kinrossie Caledonian league results before their records were expunged (I got their last game - 9th Sep Methven Athletic 7-3 Kinrossie Caledonian, but I think they played 3 or 4 league games before that. All I know is their first league game was a home game v FC Romania on 12th August. Their 2 league cup game results are still available on the PAFA website, but their league results aren't.

Aye, well, some people aren't into rankings - I get that. There wouldn't be any need for them if the league structure actually reflected the current strength of teams - but it doesn't, due to the way it has been set up. You can't seriously say that the WoS, EoS, SoS, North Junior, Midlands and North Caledonian are equal strength leagues because they all sit at Tier 6 in the league structure. But as long as we remember that rankings and league tables are different things, then there should be room for both.

Ah I see, so I wasted my time with the ape posterior analogy. Ho hum. Well, free to think of it what you will, but you haven't actually said why you think it's worthless (whatever "it" may be - the results, the tables, the rankings, all of it?). There have been a few critical (largely constructive) comments on this thread, and by and large they seem positive, so maybe you read the other comments with some kind of inherent bias.

Aye, that would be pretty impossible beyond Tier 5 - even for this season, never mind previous seasons, until clubs start giving official figures. You wouldn't think it would be hard to count how many people have paid to get in, no matter what tier the team plays in.

If I knew there was a website with a big fat gorilla's bumhole on it, and I didn't like it, I would simply just not go there. I wouldn't be on a gorilla's bumhole forum complaining about it being there, otherwise people might think I liked looking at gorilla's bumholes.

Point taken - I can easily remove them.

I guess I included as it was a regular thing - the Clydesdale Cup as well, just basically a 4-team friendly tournament. I wasn't aware of any others, that's why they weren't included. I might consider including other "cups" if they are played for every season and aren't just random opponents (Marymass, William Skinner and Clydesdale are all geographically based).

I highlighted all the text you typed, and pressed backspace - worked a treat, thanks!

There's now a basic competitions database where you can view all results back to 2014/15 for current and former competitions. Not the most attractive of interfaces, but it allows results to be seen (if you scroll down past the huge list of competitions), which is what it's meant to do, and it's automatic when I type in results into my master spreadsheet (so doesn't give me any extra work to do, other than the few hours it took me to set it up). https://scotscores.theroonba.com/clubrank/comp.html

It doesn't happen in the same season, it happens the season after (the 2022-23 City Cup takes place in the 2023-24 season).

I'll see if I can find a way to get them back - as I don't have to do amateurs/Sunday/welfare, it might be possible to squeeze it in.

Thinking what else would be useful for the page (and not too time-consuming to program) - I think a listing of results by competition might be good - I will try to program this over the next week or so. I'd also like to do results further back in time (ideally to 2010-11), but it doesn't seem possible for a number of the leagues/cups, so I'll leave that for now.

No. Too fiddly to program at the moment

https://scotscores.theroonba.com/extrahypopyramid.html

Gala - East in my opinion - closer to Edinburgh than Dumfries. If the pyramid was opened to amateur teams, some of the top clubs could be at Tier 7 level (WoS or EoS 1st), and would be much better than the teams currently mulling about in Tiers 9 and 10. Whole pyramid needs an overhaul - it was set up in an era when there weren't many senior clubs in the "South", and so the Lowland League foundation stone was put in place, and everything has been built on top of that - no longer fit for purpose. Threave Rovers currently showing what it would be like if the South of Scotland League was a feeder to the West of Scotland League - I think they'll find their level at WoS 1st or 2nd. SoS should really be a Tier 8 feeder league. Also, 3 Tier 5 leagues (West/East/North) would be better than the current system, and would reflect better Scotland's club geography. I just experimented and made a system where it's possible to have the current 291-club 10 tier system condensed into 6 tiers (3 league, 3 non league tiers). A more balanced 83/94/72 split for North/West and East pyramids, rather than the imbalanced 80/169 currently for North/South.

https://scotscores.theroonba.com/hypopyramid.html Hypothetical pyramid based on current rankings - with the West clubs mostly moving up the pyramid, WOS 4th division shrinks to just 8 teams. EoS 3rd grows from 11 to 15 teams, SoS moves from 12 to 13, Midlands shrinks from 20 to 15, North Region Championship grows from 14 to 20, so I've split it into 2 conferences, East and West. North Caledonian grows from 12 to 13, with Clachnacuddin Reserves being the only club of the 291 current senior clubs not listed here (due to the presence of Clachnacuddin in the same league).

Thanks - I will rectify the Celtic omission - I noticed there's only 289 teams in the Council Area rankings, and 291 in the senior rankings, so there's actually another club missing, which I'll try to find. De facto league standing is a great idea - I will see what I can do! EDIT - Found missing club(s) - Saint Roch's and Vale of Clyde both missing from City of Glasgow also (and Huntly, somewhat ridiculously, was listed in City of Glasgow, so I've removed them).

Yeah, it's back up as of yesterday, and fully updated up to Sunday with a couple of new teams (Linton Hotspur, Knightswood, etc.) - also included are Highland Pyramid and Lowland Pyramid rankings. I think what they show is that if and when a West of Scotland team gets up to the Lowland League, they should go straight up again. Overall, the WoS Premier is stronger than the Lowland League, despite being one tier lower. The Lowland is now stronger than the EoS Premier due to a number of the EoS' teams going upwards, so the pyramid is (very slowly) sorting itself out. South of Scotland really isn't a Tier 6 league (nor is North Caledonian) - they should really be regional feeders to Tier 6 (and I still maintain the Lowland League was set up before West teams showed interest in joining the pyramid - 3 leagues at Tier 5 would better represent the club geography of Scotland). Amateur and Welfare is too much for one person to manage - I stopped updating on 26 May, so I missed the last week or 2 of results from the amateur leagues, but I realised recently why I had started my site in the first place - a few of the leagues have completely deleted all their results from last season (Saturday Morning FA, for example), and there's no way to find them, or the final league tables. Hopefully someone can manage to provide something similar for the amateurs in the near future. My ultimate aim was to integrate the senior and amateur and welfare teams on one ranking, but alas, time is not on my side at the moment!

I think its a surprise now if a team going up to L2 doesn't start well.

They are still Spartans in some of the news headlines on their website (but The Spartans in the text contained within). The women's team seems to just be called Spartans Women (not The Spartans Women). I think regardless, most people will just write their name and say it as Spartans. I always thought "The (club)" looked odd in a league table (The New Saints in Wales for example).

I notice on many websites, "The Spartans" is given as the short form of "The Spartans Football Club". Shouldn't it just be Spartans (the only other similar example I can think of is "The Celtic Football Club" - nobody calls them "The Celtic").

The new Tullibody team will be joined by Blackburn United's amateur team, who are switching from Sunday football in the Airdrie & Coatbridge league's Premier Division (finished 6th of 8 this season). That would bring the league back up to 10 teams, but with the best 2 teams, Alva and Riverside, moving to the Caledonian, the quality is certainly going to drop.

You'd always expect teams in the top half of a lower league to be similar level to teams in the bottom half of the league above (you would expect a team winning the lower league to perhaps finish mid-table the following season in the higher league). It's all done based on results - cup results are the only times teams from different leagues/divisions meet, so inter-division or inter-league rankings are worked out using results between teams from different divisions/leagues in cup competitions. The more matches that Re played, the more accurate this will become.

Only 5 of the 27 clubs in Div.2 and 3 would be in the North Division (the 4 Fife clubs and Uni of Stirling Reserves). The Lothian and Border teams (22) would make up the South Division. Putting all the West Lothian clubs (10) into the North Division would give 2 divisions of 15 and 12 teams, which is a bit better balanced. I seem to remember in the WoSFL, the clubs actually voted for merging Central/Ayrshire all the way down and having no regionalisation. Distances not too much there though.

Wallyford Bluebell is alive and well in the LEAFA Sunday League.