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11 hours ago, jimbaxters said:
Fair comment pal. If all these things are on the site then I'm not referring to the site in general. It's the ranking thing that is pointless. We have a league structure for that. It cannot and should not be done on a horizontal basis.
Aye, well, some people aren't into rankings - I get that. There wouldn't be any need for them if the league structure actually reflected the current strength of teams - but it doesn't, due to the way it has been set up. You can't seriously say that the WoS, EoS, SoS, North Junior, Midlands and North Caledonian are equal strength leagues because they all sit at Tier 6 in the league structure.
But as long as we remember that rankings and league tables are different things, then there should be room for both.
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3 hours ago, jimbaxters said:
Ah I see, so I wasted my time with the ape posterior analogy. Ho hum.
Well, free to think of it what you will, but you haven't actually said why you think it's worthless (whatever "it" may be - the results, the tables, the rankings, all of it?). There have been a few critical (largely constructive) comments on this thread, and by and large they seem positive, so maybe you read the other comments with some kind of inherent bias.
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15 hours ago, lowenan said:
It's a great site. Best place to keep up to date with all scores and tables, it's also fascinating with the ranking. I'm sure plenty of arguments can be made as to how to do it,. but the current one seems very sensible.
Probably difficult, but a page for attendances would be very interesting.
Aye, that would be pretty impossible beyond Tier 5 - even for this season, never mind previous seasons, until clubs start giving official figures. You wouldn't think it would be hard to count how many people have paid to get in, no matter what tier the team plays in.
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6 hours ago, jimbaxters said:
If I knew there was a website with a big fat gorilla's bumhole on it, and I didn't like it, I would simply just not go there. I wouldn't be on a gorilla's bumhole forum complaining about it being there, otherwise people might think I liked looking at gorilla's bumholes.
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1 minute ago, glensmad said:
But they're basically just friendly matches.
Point taken - I can easily remove them.
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On 11/09/2023 at 23:52, glensmad said:
I'm unsure why the Marymass trophy is included in that list, it's not an official competition run by the WoSFL. It's basically a friendly cup played for between two teams, the same as several other clubs do each year, e.g. Rutherglen Glencairn and Cambuslang Rangers play for the William Skinner Memorial Cup in our first meeting each year, whether that's a friendly match or competitive. There are lots of other examples.
I guess I included as it was a regular thing - the Clydesdale Cup as well, just basically a 4-team friendly tournament. I wasn't aware of any others, that's why they weren't included. I might consider including other "cups" if they are played for every season and aren't just random opponents (Marymass, William Skinner and Clydesdale are all geographically based).
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5 hours ago, jimbaxters said:
I know. See if you highlight all the text on the page and then click Backspace that would help put this pointless exercise to bed.
I highlighted all the text you typed, and pressed backspace - worked a treat, thanks!
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There's now a basic competitions database where you can view all results back to 2014/15 for current and former competitions. Not the most attractive of interfaces, but it allows results to be seen (if you scroll down past the huge list of competitions), which is what it's meant to do, and it's automatic when I type in results into my master spreadsheet (so doesn't give me any extra work to do, other than the few hours it took me to set it up).
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On 11/07/2023 at 20:26, Yalay said:
The EoSFL fixtures have no mention of the 2023-24 cup. Have we finally given up the pretense of the city cup happening in the same season as the qualifying cup?
It doesn't happen in the same season, it happens the season after (the 2022-23 City Cup takes place in the 2023-24 season).
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1 hour ago, susanpab said:
I miss the actual league tables feature - yes, I know they can be accessed elsewhere, but it was great when they were all together on ScotScores....but I appreciate it's likely a lot of work to continually keep updated!
I'll see if I can find a way to get them back - as I don't have to do amateurs/Sunday/welfare, it might be possible to squeeze it in.
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Thinking what else would be useful for the page (and not too time-consuming to program) - I think a listing of results by competition might be good - I will try to program this over the next week or so. I'd also like to do results further back in time (ideally to 2010-11), but it doesn't seem possible for a number of the leagues/cups, so I'll leave that for now.
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23 hours ago, Pareidolia said:
Are both pages "live" in that they will automatically update with results?
No. Too fiddly to program at the moment
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11 hours ago, Ginaro said:
For an extra hypothetical - what about not allowing those clubs without a licence up into tier 5?
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2 hours ago, Pareidolia said:
Great job! Cue arguments of whether Gala Fairydean should be in EoS or SoS...
I've always imagined KRR yoyo-ing between WoS and Lowland leagues, though it might take about 25 years to get to that point! Interesting to see WoS 8 teams down, too.
Edit - I like your attempt to create a functional league system given more North teams dropping down and South teams going up, exemplified by the North Region Championship East/West split.
Gala - East in my opinion - closer to Edinburgh than Dumfries.
If the pyramid was opened to amateur teams, some of the top clubs could be at Tier 7 level (WoS or EoS 1st), and would be much better than the teams currently mulling about in Tiers 9 and 10.
Whole pyramid needs an overhaul - it was set up in an era when there weren't many senior clubs in the "South", and so the Lowland League foundation stone was put in place, and everything has been built on top of that - no longer fit for purpose. Threave Rovers currently showing what it would be like if the South of Scotland League was a feeder to the West of Scotland League - I think they'll find their level at WoS 1st or 2nd. SoS should really be a Tier 8 feeder league.
Also, 3 Tier 5 leagues (West/East/North) would be better than the current system, and would reflect better Scotland's club geography. I just experimented and made a system where it's possible to have the current 291-club 10 tier system condensed into 6 tiers (3 league, 3 non league tiers). A more balanced 83/94/72 split for North/West and East pyramids, rather than the imbalanced 80/169 currently for North/South.
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https://scotscores.theroonba.com/hypopyramid.html
Hypothetical pyramid based on current rankings - with the West clubs mostly moving up the pyramid, WOS 4th division shrinks to just 8 teams. EoS 3rd grows from 11 to 15 teams, SoS moves from 12 to 13, Midlands shrinks from 20 to 15, North Region Championship grows from 14 to 20, so I've split it into 2 conferences, East and West. North Caledonian grows from 12 to 13, with Clachnacuddin Reserves being the only club of the 291 current senior clubs not listed here (due to the presence of Clachnacuddin in the same league).3 -
20 hours ago, Pareidolia said:
Great work. Though I think Celtic is missing from the Glasgow City list (FYI).
I know its a lot of work as is, though would love to see a de facto league standing for clubs based on the current league system (similar to what FWF did in September in this thread), to imagine what an actual competitive league system would look like!
Thanks - I will rectify the Celtic omission - I noticed there's only 289 teams in the Council Area rankings, and 291 in the senior rankings, so there's actually another club missing, which I'll try to find.
De facto league standing is a great idea - I will see what I can do!
EDIT - Found missing club(s) - Saint Roch's and Vale of Clyde both missing from City of Glasgow also (and Huntly, somewhat ridiculously, was listed in City of Glasgow, so I've removed them).
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Yeah, it's back up as of yesterday, and fully updated up to Sunday with a couple of new teams (Linton Hotspur, Knightswood, etc.) - also included are Highland Pyramid and Lowland Pyramid rankings. I think what they show is that if and when a West of Scotland team gets up to the Lowland League, they should go straight up again. Overall, the WoS Premier is stronger than the Lowland League, despite being one tier lower. The Lowland is now stronger than the EoS Premier due to a number of the EoS' teams going upwards, so the pyramid is (very slowly) sorting itself out. South of Scotland really isn't a Tier 6 league (nor is North Caledonian) - they should really be regional feeders to Tier 6 (and I still maintain the Lowland League was set up before West teams showed interest in joining the pyramid - 3 leagues at Tier 5 would better represent the club geography of Scotland).
Amateur and Welfare is too much for one person to manage - I stopped updating on 26 May, so I missed the last week or 2 of results from the amateur leagues, but I realised recently why I had started my site in the first place - a few of the leagues have completely deleted all their results from last season (Saturday Morning FA, for example), and there's no way to find them, or the final league tables. Hopefully someone can manage to provide something similar for the amateurs in the near future. My ultimate aim was to integrate the senior and amateur and welfare teams on one ranking, but alas, time is not on my side at the moment!
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53 minutes ago, ekok said:
Hello, think they might be well chuffed at this thread. Making a solid start in L2 , whether The or not
I think its a surprise now if a team going up to L2 doesn't start well.
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They are still Spartans in some of the news headlines on their website (but The Spartans in the text contained within). The women's team seems to just be called Spartans Women (not The Spartans Women).
I think regardless, most people will just write their name and say it as Spartans. I always thought "The (club)" looked odd in a league table (The New Saints in Wales for example).
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I notice on many websites, "The Spartans" is given as the short form of "The Spartans Football Club". Shouldn't it just be Spartans (the only other similar example I can think of is "The Celtic Football Club" - nobody calls them "The Celtic").
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On 21/02/2023 at 18:32, stanley said:
Which teams are joining the Stirling & District? The majority of clubs from that catchment area are now in the Caledonian League. Can only really see Bannockburn, Steins and Dunipace (joining the Caley) in the Central Scottish from that catchment area. Lots of tweets on the Stirling Twitter page advertising for new clubs.
Edit: Tullibody St. Serf's look like one of the new teams.
The new Tullibody team will be joined by Blackburn United's amateur team, who are switching from Sunday football in the Airdrie & Coatbridge league's Premier Division (finished 6th of 8 this season). That would bring the league back up to 10 teams, but with the best 2 teams, Alva and Riverside, moving to the Caledonian, the quality is certainly going to drop.
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On 22/02/2023 at 22:49, Honest_Man#1 said:
How do the rankings work in terms of comparing teams in different leagues? There are certain teams that are doing okay in easier leagues and ranking higher than teams towards the bottom of the league above which is odd.
You'd always expect teams in the top half of a lower league to be similar level to teams in the bottom half of the league above (you would expect a team winning the lower league to perhaps finish mid-table the following season in the higher league).
It's all done based on results - cup results are the only times teams from different leagues/divisions meet, so inter-division or inter-league rankings are worked out using results between teams from different divisions/leagues in cup competitions. The more matches that Re played, the more accurate this will become.
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On 16/02/2023 at 22:51, Spyro said:
That's why it should be North and South after Div 1, so you have the 3-2-1 steps as you improve through the steps.
It always seems to create strong feelings though, don't know if it's just too much like the old junior way... but it works.
The split will be around Edinburgh now rather than splitting up Fife with the Tayside club going up norff but I can't see why it wouldn't work for everyone. The levels of these teams are close enough so there won't be cricket scores and if you don't like being in a regional league then don't be pish and get into Div 1.
Only 5 of the 27 clubs in Div.2 and 3 would be in the North Division (the 4 Fife clubs and Uni of Stirling Reserves). The Lothian and Border teams (22) would make up the South Division.
Putting all the West Lothian clubs (10) into the North Division would give 2 divisions of 15 and 12 teams, which is a bit better balanced.
I seem to remember in the WoSFL, the clubs actually voted for merging Central/Ayrshire all the way down and having no regionalisation. Distances not too much there though.
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On 15/02/2023 at 22:52, tamthebam said:
I see there's plans for a sports centre at Wallyford- a revived Bluebell anyone?
Wallyford Bluebell is alive and well in the LEAFA Sunday League.
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Perthshire League 2022-23
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Does anybody have the Kinrossie Caledonian league results before their records were expunged (I got their last game - 9th Sep Methven Athletic 7-3 Kinrossie Caledonian, but I think they played 3 or 4 league games before that.
All I know is their first league game was a home game v FC Romania on 12th August.
Their 2 league cup game results are still available on the PAFA website, but their league results aren't.