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Wishaw Rangers also seem to have become "Newmains United SAFC" (their Facebook page has changed to this, in any case).
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On 03/06/2022 at 15:13, craigkillie said:
Basically every club in Scotland enters our Scottish Cup too, either directly via licensing or through one of the many qualifying competitions. The only slight anomaly which will hopefully be resolved soon is the NCL.
Except Sunday Amateurs and Welfare. Give Pather and Hillside entry to the Scottish Cup, along with Invergordon, and that would give 128 teams. I'm sure if they let the Amateur Cup winners in, it wouldn't be too hard to let Sundays and Welfare champions play also.
Highland Amateur teams also rarely enter the Scottish Amateur Cup (the Highland Amateur Cup has more prestige, and is more in line with their summer playing season). Only 7 entrants in the last 15 years, and none since 2015-16.
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Not sure why the EOSFL named this "Division 1, Conference X", as if it were somehow at the same level as the other Conferences. Playing strength wise, it is, but in fact, it was a Tier 9 league rather than a Tier 7 league like the other conferences, as the prize was promotion to Tier 8. Makes no sense to get "promoted" to Tier 8 from Tier 7. Whitburn's prize for winning the conference is to play 2 tiers below the other conference winners next season.
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As if losing 7-0 wasn't enough, the Kirkcudbright side has to suffer the ignominy of almost everyone on the P&B Forum calling them St. Cuthberts (or St. Cuthbert's). It's singular - St. Cuthbert Wanderers (they don't come from Kirkcudbrights or Kirkcudbright's).
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On 20/04/2022 at 11:40, Ivo den Bieman said:
Please stop posting this semi-literate drivel. No-one cares.
I find it amusing that a series of opinions based on dubious mental recollections (i.e. the majority of posts concerning predictions on P&B) is classed as being more interesting. Somehow, some people are offended by posts containing more numbers than banter.
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I suppose that could be used as an argument, but I don't think merging the 2 bottom divisions would create too many bloodcurdling scores - not many more than the Superleague does anyway.
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This is back up and running for the new season - with all new clubs added, clubs in abeyance moved to inactive section, new pyramid leagues added. All U20 leagues now added as well
http://scotscores.theroonba.com/clubrank/clubrank.html
There's also a women's ranking.
Teams that won promotion last season generally start off in mid-table this season, with a few exceptions like Kelty starting off as favourites for League 2. I don't think they'll be far off winning League 2. League strengths are shown in the individual league rankings, along with the variability in the strengths of the teams within that league. WoS coming out as best league below SPFL, followed by EoS, Lowland, Highland. North Caledonian by far the weakest Tier 6 league.
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Yes, was aware of that - but now that they've done away with regionalisation, is there any need to keep two small leagues? I can understand having small leagues to cater for a regionalised first division, but travel is apparently not an issue for any of the clubs now. The Tayside League had never been more than 12 teams, I think, but then they've progressively expanded to the present day 19 teams rather than have two small leagues.
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You've also got Lowson United (Forfar United) - the whole Forfar Albion squad was replaced en masse by the squad of the amateur team for the 2020/21 season that never was (hence why you got Forfar United winning 5-2 at Carnoustie, which would never have happened had it been "the real Forfar Albion').
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I would have thought 2 divisions would be enough for 31-33 teams. Top division of 16, 2nd Division of 17. Maximum 32-game league season should be manageable for most clubs. Below 10 teams, "leagues" start to look more like "groups".
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Not sure it's been mentioned in this forum, but I did see "St. James AFC" mentioned and the superfluous "Dundee". In this case, the club's name is indeed "Dundee St. James" and it's not St. James AFC - who remain in the Midlands Amateur League. Dundee St. James is the new name for Fintry AFC (who were previously Douglas Athletic until 2019-20). So there are now separate 2 St. James clubs in Dundee - one senior/junior (with the Dundee moniker) and one amateur (without Dundee).
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I think there's just 1 (or maybe 2) mistakes in the fixtures list now:
Conference C
Kilsyth down to play twice on 7th November (Dalry at home, Lanark away). Think Kilsyth v Dalry should be 31st October.
Glasgow Perthshire v Lanark on 21st November - did Lanark (or Ashfield) withdraw from the South Region Challenge Cup? Their 2nd round match was due on 21st November.
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Wonder why Benburb withdrew - they're playing in the WoSFL.
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In the WoSFL fixture release, several teams have been given games on 21st November (date of 2nd round of South Region Challenge Cup), implying others have withdrawn.
Wishaw (Cumnock withdrew)
Glasgow Perthshire (Petershill withdrew)
Neilston (Glenafton Athletic withdrew)
So that leaves 8 of the 13 clubs withdrawing from the WoSFL:
Any idea if any of these plan to play?
Cambuslang Rangers v Girvan (if both teams withdraw, it means one lucky team from Round 2 will get a bye into the last 32)
Edinburgh United v Arthurlie
Kelty Hearts v Auchinleck Talbot
Luncarty v Whitletts Victoria
Saltcoats Victoria v Lochore Welfare
Shettleston v Shotts Bon Accord
Ardrossan Winton Rovers v University of StirlingAlso, strangely, Lanark United have been given a fixture in the WoSFL on 21st November, the same day they are meant to play Ashfield in the South Region Challenge Cup.
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What might make a bit of sense is to play each other just once in the league - that's what the Highland League is doing. Or if that's not enough, play each other once and then split league and play another 5 games or so. Would be easier to fit in 11 or 16 games than 22.
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It's amazing that a match played just 2 years ago has already vanished from the records. LEAFA had results on its website, but it seems to delete them at the end of each season.
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Hi,
Trying to piece together results for all Scottish Cup and District Cup matches for the last 4 seasons as the basis for my upcoming Scottish amateur club ranking.
As luck would have it, there's one result I can't find anywhere. SAFA website has many match results missing for the day in question, including this match.20th October 2018 - Blackridge Vale of Craig v Craigshill Thistle.
It seems Craigshill won, as they appeared in the next round of the cup. Blackridge mentioned match on Twitter, but no result afterwards.
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2 hours ago, Crazy Feet said:
The major difference? Scotland has Wee Nicola Thatcher running the show who treats football fans like they are criminals and second class citizens.
There's not been an outbreak anywhere linked to grassroots football. It's next to impossible to pass the virus on outside.
Away and gtf with that "Wee Nicola Thatcher" pish. She's not singling out football fans, ffs. Get a grip. And she's not acting alone. She's acting as part of a democratically elected government, you fud.
The overarching reason is trying to avoid people travelling, congregating in one place when it's not essential. Amateur/non-league football is not essential. The end.
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Whitehills seems to have changed their badge:
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Regarding Stranraer, their Development (U20) team played in the SPFL Development Leagues for a few years, as did QoS. QoS continued into the reserve league replacements, but Stranraer didn't.
Stranraer is just about big enough to have 2 senior teams. There are other teams in Scotland that don't have reserve teams, as such (Montrose, Arbroath, etc.), but seem to manage fine. Rangers, Aberdeen, Hibernian, etc. also don't have a league for their reserves to play in, as they withdrew from it. Is it essential that Stranraer has a league for their reserves to play in?
Nairn's reserve team is essentially the U-20 team (which has played in the North of Scotland Development League for the last 5 seasons). So they already had a league to play in.
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59 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
As Caledonian Braves I'm wondering what happens if they get relegated as well. For example could they be relegated to the WoSFL and be allowed to keep their SoSFL team going? Or because of their SoSFL team would they be allowed to be relegated to the SoSFL? At least in their case it's not a set of questions that are likely to be answered anytime soon.
I'd like to see reserve teams removed from senior leagues, if possible. There are reserve leagues already, and Lowland League clubs play in them - East Kilbride, BSC Glasgow, for example. I'm sure Stranraer, Caledonian Braves and University of Stirling could put their reserve teams into these leagues. Hopefully, we don't see any reserve teams starting up in the WoS League when it begins to take shape.
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2 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said:
At the time of applications there were rumours of some of the individual clubs looking into it. How real that was we'll never know, only Bonnyton Thistle went through with it.
Something that goes towards the viability of the league's standing is what Dalbeattie Star and Gretna 2008 decide to do. They're amongst the handful of clubs that are likely to be relegated from the Lowland League in the coming years. If they were to try and get into the WoSFL it becomes harder to justify the SoSFL at Tier 6.
Bonnyton were always the most likely, as they were already an outlier, located in WoS territory.
It will indeed be interesting if Dalbeattie and/or Gretna try to get into the WoSFL. Is there no "geographical determiner" at the moment for teams relegated from Tier 5 which dictates which league they have to go to?One would think they might opt for the SoS, as it would be easier to get back out of and regain their LL place. Caledonian Braves also interesting - if they get relegated, they are in "WoS territory", but came from the SoS originally.
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3 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said:
Hawick to Perth, Berwick to Perth are both about a 2 hour drive. It's about the most extreme you can get and doing so you'd be passing through maybe 30 odd non-league clubs with another 20ish in the West Lothian/Stirlingshire side.
Wigtown to Kilmarnock, Abbey Vale to Kilmarnock are about an hour 45. With about 15 non-SoSFL on the way. Which includes the likes of Auchinleck and Glenafton who aren't likely to be Tier 6 or below anytime soon.
There's a reason why some in the EoSFL would like to see the lower tiers regionalised as they have the depth and geographic spread of clubs where it would be beneficial. That doesn't exist in the WoSFL/EoSFL and why a WoSFL South at say Tier 8 that's inclusive of old Ayrshire & South teams isn't the most practical.
I know - I wasn't advocating mixing the SoS with Ayrshire teams - they'd be separate leagues at Tier 8. That way the South teams could play among themselves as they do now, but also be in the correct place in the pecking order. If Threave want to go up, they can surely travel to Glasgow, Lanarkshire, etc. If they were to go up from Tier 6 now, they'd have to travel further than that.
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24 minutes ago, WilliamBragg said:
St Cadocs will probably will do well.
They have Johnny Millar and his backroom staff in management and have taken a few of his old Beith players with him.
Good experienced Juniors who will do well I imagine.
In friendly matches, Drumchapel United have won 1-0 at WoS Premier side Benburb, while St. Cadoc's drew 2-2 at WoS Premier side Rossvale, and won 4-0 at St. Anthony's.
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2022/23 Leagues (just for fun)
in West of Scotland Football League
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Possibly misunderstanding what rankings are? They are not set in stone. They are fluid. Shocks happen. That's why they keep changing to reflect the new reality. You do better than expected, you move up, you do worse than expected, you move down. League tables do the same - teams higher up in the table don't always win - hence why they bother playing the season.