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2 minutes ago, welshbairn said:
Closer to one town you picked in the South than most of the North Region. You're not making a great case here.
Alright. Blairgowrie is closer to the whole of Fife, Falkirk, Stirling, West Lothian, Midlothian and Edinburgh, and a lot of North Lanarkshire than it is to Aberdeen, which is where most of the North Junior clubs are concentrated around.
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57 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
They don't care about that. They care about tier 5 as its the link from the national leagues to "non-league".
Its no different than how the Conference down in England went from NPL, Southern League, and Isthmian League all feeding into it. Basically 1 North and 2 South Leagues and then created Conference North & South. Then made them fit into the structure.
Also, in England it's a bit different, as the North covers the Top 2/3 of the country geographically, with the South being the bottom 1/3.
They had some problems with the system - it's now gone to 1 North, 2 Midlands (North and South) and 1 South, which gives a bit of fluidity to the middle, overlapping part.So it actually now makes a (bit) more sense - 1 national non-league league, 2 regional below it, and 4 below that.
I suppose Scotland is kind of doing similar - only Tier 6 is shaping up to be a 6-league thing rather than 4 and there is no leeway for the middle part to join either the LL or HL, depending on balance of clubs.
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1 hour ago, Whitburn Vale said:
West Lothian clubs dont want Tayside clubs anywhere near them.....,that's why they play in seperate north/south leagues because of travel costs.
Nor would it be a great incentive for bigger West Lothian junior teams,on seeing Dundee and Angus sides joining the EoS.
Angus in particular is NORTH !!!!
Brechin is but 10 miles from the Aberdeenshire border!!!
Spoke to some of the Whitburn committee at the weekend about the pyramid in the social club and they reiterated they do not want to travel to Tayside on a regular basis.
I can understand travel concerns, but in the old EOS Superleague days, there were only 4 or 5 Tayside teams in the league at a time. So you've got 5 trips a season of between 50 and 80 miles, 1- 1.5 hours travelling max. You already had a few trips of 40+ miles last year playing in the ERJFA with the Fife teams, so an extra 80-100 miles over the space of 3 or 4 games isn't going to break the bank. With proper fixture scheduling, these matches would be on Saturdays, and would avoid the (single) midweek evening kick off in Forfar that everyone seems to keep bemoaning. Forfar WE and Carnoustie are the only Angus sides most teams would have to worry about, as Arbroath Vics, Brechin Vics and Forfar Albion aren't showing many signs of being top teams in Tayside in the near future and would be plugging away in the Tayside division.
If the East Juniors all joined the EoS League tomorrow, the leagues would be regionalised at the bottom - so there would be a separate Lothian/Fife division and Tayside division, just as there is now. Only the bigger teams would have to travel more, but they'd have an even spread of Lothian/Fife and Tayside teams in their league - it's not like it's going to be one West Lothian team in a league with 15 Tayside teams. Also, the "outliers" (Arbroath Vics, Brechin Vics) are not likely to be playing at the top inter-regional level - they'll be in the Tayside league, as they are now.
For example, if Whitburn joined, they'd be playing the same teams they are playing now, plus a few more from the Lothians and a couple from the Borders. If Whitburn were promoted, their likely opponents would mostly be from Lothian and Fife. There's probably only ever going to be a max of 4 or 5 Tayside teams at either Tier 6 or Tier 7. So I think the travel concerns of West Lothian teams don't really amount to much. If modest teams like Crossgates Primrose can join and travel to the Borders, I'm pretty sure teams with bigger support like Whitburn would soon be having success and wondering what all the fuss was about.
All in all, it would make very little difference to most of the remaining juniors in terms of travelling distance, but would make a huge difference in access to funding, development and licensing opportunities, better fixture scheduling, and a more professional setup. Also, they could play in the regional Tier 8 for as long as they want and just refuse promotion - the same as what they are doing now.
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3 minutes ago, Marshmallo said:
Stranraer is closer to Belfast than it is to Moscow - what's your point caller?
So Stranraer would be more suited to play in a UK league than a Russian one. You've just made the point. If the Perthshire and Dundee clubs are closer to the Central Belt than they are to most of Aberdeenshire, why should they play in a league with Aberdeenshire teams?
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11 minutes ago, FairWeatherFan said:
That seems to have been the original thought to keep the balance North / South at Tier 5.
But the team numbers can never truly be balanced if there is already an imbalance in terms of the number of teams in each catchment area below Tier 5. At the moment, you have 17 teams officially in the HL pyramid vs 147 in the LL pyramid.
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5 minutes ago, Whitburn Vale said:
West Lothian clubs dont want Tayside clubs anywhere near them.....,that's why they play in seperate north/south leagues because of travel costs.
Nor would it be a great incentive for bigger West Lothian junior teams,on seeing Dundee and Angus sides joining the EoS.
Angus in particular is NORTH !!!!
Brechin is but 10 miles from the Aberdeenshire border!!!
Spoke to some of the Whitburn committee at the weekend about the pyramid in the social club and they reiterated they do not want to travel to Tayside on a regular basis.
14 minutes ago, Marshmallo said:The border between Lowland/Highland should be moving South if anything. Perthshire in particular should probably be North.
Blairgowrie is closer to Falkirk than all teams in the North with the exception of Stonehaven.
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I still think there's room for negotiation as to where Tayside clubs go - it should be up to them which part of the pyramid they wish to join. I think if/when the West Lothian juniors join the EoS and the North Juniors join (nominally or otherwise) the HL pyramid, the Tayside clubs will have to make a decision on their future direction, as it's not possible to have an SJFA with only 17 clubs, all in Tayside.
There's also a lot of historical quirks that have been cemented with the pyramid (e.g. the fact that SoS and North Caley are essentially amateur leagues, but have 1 or 2 senior clubs in them). Many SoS clubs are Tier 8 at best, but they're placed at Tier 6 beside the West Junior giants. Having Auchinleck Talbot and Creetown at the same level of the pyramid just seems madness.
Hopefully it will all sort itself out in time, but I don't think putting leagues at artificially high levels helps things.
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2 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said:
You know what's strange to me considering a lot of people like ripping up Scottish football and starting with a blank slate.
That's exactly what the SFA, SFL (yes, SFL that's how long ago this started), the EoSFL, SoSFL, HL did. With the SJFA kept in the loop as well.
And with that blank slate of a non-league they came up with 10 team Highland/Lowland Divisions split north & south at the Tay. With the existing leagues below
Then as that evolved the North/South split at the Tay remained.
That's how Dundee ended up in the Highland area. A blank slate and all the bodies involved going Dundee is in the North.
The North/South split remained more because the pyramid was mainly for the existing senior clubs, which were essentially the Highland league, and EoS and SoS leagues. There were North and South qualifying cups for the Scottish Cup. So there was already a sense of North/South as the accepted division below the SFL/SPFL, as no West/Tayside/Fife clubs were involved. The split at the Tay was largely illustrative, as there were no teams from near this area that had to be accommodated.
Now with the balance of non-league football shifting, we have a bloated "South", with many of the best teams, and Tayside still in limbo, technically playing in an association with "South" teams (the ERSJFA), but in a "North" division. The North/South split should probably be revisited, and a proper study done on what it would mean for Tayside clubs (and those who have to play them) if they joined either the LL or HL structures.
The fact that all the bodies above came up with 10 team HL/LL divisions shows they weren't really thinking of a future where all the juniors would join. You don't have 10-team leagues at the top of any decent pyramid, as it constrains access below it for any progressive teams (as the 10-team SPFL League 2 currently does to aspiring Tier 5 teams).
If we look at how Scotland is divided for statistical purposes by the EU, it's South West, East, North East (Aberdeen/Aberdeenshire) and Highlands/Islands. The first 3 correspond to the 3 junior divisions, while the last corresponds to the Highland/North Caledonian league. Tayside comes under East.
Tayside clubs seem to be happier being in with Edinburgh/Lothian teams at the moment (rather than being in the North region). If not, they'd be a "South" division within the North Juniors rather than a "North" division within the East juniors.
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2 hours ago, Cyclizine said:
Grow up. There is an ignore user function on this forum if you're so thin skinned and unable to tolerate dissent.
HTH
Person A: "I think Tayside clubs would have less travel in the LL area than the HL area, and here are some examples to illustrate what I am saying"
Person B: "You're a spreadsheet pyramidista, approaching things with a semi and an Excel sheet, you're a patronising arse"
Person A: "You can disagree, but do you need to insult?"
Person B: "Grow up"
Can you see what's wrong with Person B saying "grow up" here? If you can't, I'm sure everyone else can.But thanks for your really helpful suggestion anyway. Must be great to be as wise as you!
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On 21/07/2020 at 13:01, latapythelegend said:
Good effort although the amatuers will be a nightmare to update as many of the teams will be moving across associations.
Yeah - I'm updating as news of the new setups comes in. Once the setups are decided, the main task will be entering the results every week. A couple of leagues in the Glasgow area have already announced their setups for next season.
Website is now at http://scotscores.theroonba.com/
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15 hours ago, The Mantis said:
No, you compared Wick’s longest trip to Hawick’s shortest.
Thanks - of course you are right. My point was that teams from further south than Dundee would have less travelling than Wick would. Use Edinburgh instead of Hawick. It was in response to "if Dundee teams have less travel than Wick, then they can join the HL". Likewise for Edinburgh teams then. I was trying to point out the flaw in that argument - unfortunately, I picked a bad example. But the point remains. Wick is an outlier and they can't be used as a gauge for what teams can join the Highland League catchment area.
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On 21/07/2020 at 21:17, Cyclizine said:
Yup.
Sigh... Just quit with the insults. That's all I ask. Disagree with me, but keep your playground shit at home.
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11 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said:
What actually changed about the pyramid with the creation of the WoSFL? The SPFL's still the same, the Lowland & Highland League is still the same, the EoSFL is the same, the SoSFL is the same minus one club.
Does an addition count as a complete change?
I'll answer your points.
What actually changed about the pyramid with the creation of the WoSFL?
It opened the pyramid up to 1/3 of Scotland's non-league clubs, and the whole of the former Strathclyde, which had previously no connection to the pyramid (Whether or not it "could have" in the past is irrelevant - it did in the present, and it counts as a big change).
The SPFL's still the same, the Lowland & Highland League is still the same, the EoSFL is the same, the SoSFL is the same minus one club.
Not talking about the Top 5 tiers - that's not the point here.
The EoSFL is not the same - in 2016/17 and 2017/18 it was a single division of 11 and 13 clubs respectively. Now it is a thriving league with a top tier, and a second tier of 2 conferences, with 49 clubs. Every single one of the EoS clubs from the 2016/17 league played in the lower conferences in 2019/20. Quite clearly not the same league...
The SoSFL is the same - I'll give you that one.Does an addition count as a complete change?
In a word, yes. As outlined above, addition (of clubs or entire leagues) quite clearly constitutes significant change. Addition of the Lowland League was a complete change. All of these big changes have happened in the last 7 years, and the latest 2 have happened in 2 years.In any case, if you don't count "addition" as change, then it would be relatively easy to sell to those who remain outside the pyramid - hey, there is no change, let's just add you. But that's not proving to be the case. So they clearly see it as a big change, even though in reality, most of the smaller teams would be playing the same teams in any new structure.
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11 hours ago, Cyclizine said:
I have no issue with anyone proposing structures, but you need to approach this with some realism rather than a semi and an Excel file.
You seem to take me for some nerdy kiddo - I know exactly what this is, and don't need it explained to me about "reality" and "never going to happen". I know how things are - as with many things in life, many of the problems stem from having complete muppets in positions of authority.
In order to propose a structure - first someone has to come up with something, from outside or inside the "circle" - then approach the clubs. If you approach the clubs first, you will get many opposing views. Clubs need something presented to them that they can agree or disagree with, and then be given the chance to give reasons for their disagreement if they disagree. These fears can then be taken on board, or allayed, or a bit of both. When you vote in a national election, you are not given free choice - you are presented with a list of options. This list of options is not drawn up by the people who vote.
The reason it's taken so long for anything to get to this stage is precisely because of many of the "real clubs" and the short-sightedness and false allegiance to "grades". They have been the obstacle to the progression of a pyramid system rather than the solution. And the very reason we have this incremental change and reluctance for others to join is because of the way the pyramid is being formed - in fits and starts. I know in "reality" things have not happened smoothly - but to me that doesn't mean giving up on the possibility and accepting the "wisdom of the committees".
And seeing as you are a fan of pointless putdowns:
Approaching it with "a semi and an Excel file" is much better than approaching it impotently with no file... As is evidenced by this thread being 1621 pages long. Much of which is putdowns of people trying to come up with workable solutions rather than constructive discussions about which parts of the proposed solutions are problematic, and how they could be resolved. Which is what this thread should be about. Nobody cares about your "it will never work" if you don't have a plan of your own.-1 -
1 hour ago, Cyclizine said:
Bollocks, you're being the patronising arse here. I'm a pragmatist. My point is that change will be gradual. You can't whip out your spreadsheet and wholesale change the structure of a system that's developed organically over more than a century, however nice that would be to many. There's too many vested interests and entrenched views to make rapid change happen. We've seen and will continue to see a slow shift as clubs (and it is the individual clubs here that are key) make the decisions on how best they wish to be structured.
Your sentence smacked of condescension, whatever you may think, or whatever name-calling you wish to engage in. Lack of respect for what you perceive as "spreadsheet pyramidistas". They've got as much right to get into the debate about the structure of Scottish football as anyone involved with the clubs. Members of the public not directly involved often talk more sense than those at the clubs. And some of them will be producing the fixture lists and doing other "spreadsheety" things without which the clubs wouldn't have functioning leagues to play in.
The structure that you talk about - it just completely changed, wholesale, in the West Juniors in just a few months. So of course you can change it. The century before means nothing now - all these clubs are in the senior pyramid, and they jumped ship all at once, completely wiping out the "structure that had developed organically" in an instant. So bollocks to the previously entrenched views and vested interests that these clubs had towards the pyramid - they were steamrollered out of the way. It's the biggest single evidence that rapid change can and does happen. East Juniors leaving en masse to go the EoS is another example of rapid change.
The shift has not been slow. The Lowland part of the pyramid was set up only 7 years ago, and now it contains more than half the former SJFA clubs, the vast majority of whom have left in the last 2 years. 2 years is all it has taken to completely change the structure of Junior and Senior football.
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Final, at Hampden
1 Motherwell 5-0 Dunfermline Athletic
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Semi-finals, at Hampden
1 Motherwell 2-1 Celtic
2 Peterhead 1-3 Dunfermline Athletic0 -
QUARTER-FINALS
1 Arbroath 0-2 Dunfermline Athletic
2 Rangers 1-2 Celtic
3 Inverness Caledonian Thistle 0-1 Motherwell AET
4 Peterhead 1-0 Ayr United0 -
Last 16
1 Livingston 2-4 Rangers
2 Celtic 6-0 Partick Thistle
3 Motherwell 2-0 Ross County
4 Peterhead 2-1 Falkirk
5 Inverness Caledonian Thistle 5-1 Hibernian
6 Airdrieonians 2-2 Ayr United AET, Ayr United 5-4 on pens
7 Arbroath 3-1 Heart of Midlothian
8 Dunfermline Athletic 2-0 Raith Rovers0 -
Last 32
Premiership teams come in here.
4 non-league clubs left: Brora (Highland), Bonyrigg & East Stirlingshire (Lowland), Kilwinning (WoS)1 Saint Mirren 1-3 Airdrieonians
2 Inverness Caledonian Thistle 5-1 Alloa Athletic
3 Stranraer 0-2 Dunfermline Athletic
4 Hibernian 5-0 Albion Rovers
5 East Stirlingshire 0-4 Ross County
6 Raith Rovers 3-1 Brora Rangers
7 Celtic 4-0 Saint Johnstone
8 Ayr United 0-0 Dundee United AET, Ayr United 4-2 on pens
9 Aberdeen 1-3 Rangers
10 Hamilton Academical 1-2 Motherwell
11 Forfar Athletic 0-1 Falkirk
12 Heart of Midlothian 1-0 Kilmarnock
13 Arbroath 1-0 Montrose
14 Stirling Albion 0-9 Livingston
15 Peterhead 1-0 Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic
16 Kilwinning Rangers 0-3 Partick Thistle0 -
5TH ROUND
Championship clubs enter here
Scores will be updated as matches are played.
1 Airdrieonians 3-1 Auchinleck Talbot
2 Buckie Thistle 0-3 Partick Thistle
3 Stranraer 3-2 East Fife
4 Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic 1-0 Nairn County
5 Inverness Caledonian Thistle 3-1 Dundee
6 BSC Glasgow 0-3 Montrose
7 Civil Service Strollers 0-6 Ayr United
8 Whitehill Welfare 2-3 Albion Rovers
9 Blantyre Victoria 1-3 East Stirlingshire
10 Peterhead 1-0 Dumbarton
11 Fort William 0-3 Kilwinning Rangers
12 Arbroath 3-0 Stenhousemuir
13 Heart of Midlothian 5-0 Cove Rangers
14 Alloa Athletic 4-1 Queen of the South AET
15 Craigmark Burntonians 0-7 Forfar Athletic
16 Raith Rovers 3-0 Annan Athletic
17 Falkirk 4-0 Clyde
18 Brora Rangers 6-0 Camelon
19 Stirling Albion 2-0 East Kilbride
20 Dunfermline Athletic 2-1 Greenock Morton0 -
4TH ROUND
League 1 clubs enter here
Scores will be updated as matches are played.1 Pumpherston 0-3 Clyde
2 Peterhead 4-0 Wick Academy
3 Whitehill Welfare 2-1 Troon
4 Auchinleck Talbot 1-0 Glenafton Athletic
5 Camelon 4-1 Craigroyston
6 Vale of Leithen 1-3 Annan Athletic
7 Clachnacuddin 3-4 Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic
8 Cove Rangers 3-0 Forres Mechanics
9 East Fife 1-0 Carnoustie Panmure AET
10 East Kilbride 1-1 Pollok AET, East Kilbride 5-4 on pens
11 Brechin City 1-3 Stranraer
12 Stirling Albion 5-0 Kinnoull
13 Dunbar United 0-1 Stenhousemuir
14 Brora Rangers 5-0 Cumnock
15 Annbank United 1-1 Craigmark Burntonians AET, Craigmark Burntonians 5-4 on pens
16 Forfar Athletic 3-0 Edinburgh City
17 Albion Rovers 1-0 Berwick Rangers
18 Blantyre Victoria 1-0 Shotts Bon Accord
19 Partick Thistle 4-0 Shettleston
20 Elgin City 1-1 Airdrieonians AET, Airdrieonians 5-4 on pens
21 Fraserbugh 1-6 Falkirk
22 Fort William 2-0 Preston Athletic
23 BSC Glasgow 3-0 Turriff United
24 Darvel 0-2 Montrose
25 Nairn County 4-3 Deveronvale
26 Dundonald Bluebell 0-1 East Stirlingshire
27 Civil Service Strollers 3-1 Broughty Athletic
28 Hurlford United 0-2 Dumbarton
29 Buckie Thistle 7-0 Newburgh
30 Dunipace 0-6 Kilwinning Rangers0 -
3RD ROUND
First entry of SPFL clubs.
Scores will be updated as matches are played.
1 Cumnock 4-1 Banks o' Dee
2 Buckie Thistle 5-2 Beith
3 Annan Athletic 3-1 Musselburgh Athletic
4 Kilwinning Rangers 3-2 Queen's Park
5 Newburgh 2-0 Ormiston
6 Berwick Rangers 7-1 Linlithgow Rose Commnunity
7 Lothian Thistle Hutchison Vale 0-1 Broughty Athletic
8 East Stirlingshire 4-0 Neilston
9 Hurlford United 6-0 Sauchie
10 Wick Academy 2-2 Kilbirnie Ladeside AET, Wick Academy 4-2 on pens
11 Rutherglen Glencairn 1-1 Glenafton Athletic AET, Glenafton Athletic 4-2 on pens
12 Stoneywood Parkvale 0-5 Forres Mechanics
13 Shotts Bon Accord 3-0 Saint Anthony's
14 Deveronvale 2-0 Petershill
15 Annbank United 2-0 Downfield
16 Albion Rovers 6-0 Bellshill Athletic
17 Upper Annandale 0-4 Troon
18 Nairn Saint Ninian 0-2 Carnoustie Panmure
19 Pumpherston 2-1 Stirling University
20 Dunipace 5-0 Royal Albert
21 Whitehill Welfare 3-0 East Craigie
22 Edinburgh City 2-0 Keith
23 Dunbar United 3-0 Arthurlie
24 Vale of Leithen 2-1 Jeanfield Swifts AET
25 Stirling Albion 3-0 Johnstone Burgh
26 Fraserburgh United 0-3 Dundonald Bluebell
27 Lochore Welfare 0-1 Turriff United
28 Gartcairn 0-2 Stenhousemuir
29 Greenock 0-1 Fort William
30 Fraserburgh 8-0 New Elgin
31 Pollok 4-2 Huntly
32 Clachnacuddin 1-0 Kelty Hearts
33 Preston Athletic 3-1 Edinburgh University
34 Camelon 4-2 Penicuik Athletic
35 Hill of Beath Hawthorn 0-4 Nairn County
36 Brora Rangers 1-0 Dalkeith Thistle
37 Craigmark Burntonians 1-1 Lochee United AET, Craigmark Burntonians 4-3 on pens
38 Shettleston 2-0 Inverkeithing Hillfield Swifts
39 Brechin City 2-0 Dundee North End
40 Civil Service Strollers 2-0 Largs Thistle
41 Auchinleck Talbot 3-0 Burntisland Shipyard
42 East Kilbride 2-1 Cowdenbeath
43 Darvel 3-0 Spartans
44 Craigroyston 1-0 Maryhill
45 Scone Thistle 0-3 Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic
46 Renfrew 0-2 BSC Glasgow
47 Blantyre Victoria 3-0 Invergordon
48 Elgin City 6-0 Arniston Rangers
49 Stranraer 4-0 Kennoway Star Hearts
50 Kinnoull 4-0 Carluke Rovers0 -
2nd Round
Scores will be updated as matches are played.1 Benburb 0-3 Wick Academy
2 Rossvale 1-2 Kelty Hearts
3 Fraserburgh United 2-1 Yoker Athletic AET
4 Penicuik Athletic 3-2 Newtongrange Star AET
5 Kilbirnie Ladeside 4-0 Kello Rovers
6 Vale of Leithen 3-1 Blackburn United
7 Royal Albert 2-1 Dalry Thistle AET
8 Beith 1-0 Inverurie Loco Works AET
9 Shettleston 2-1 Armadale Thistle
10 Johnstone Burgh 1-0 Tranent
11 Spartans 3-0 Lossiemouth
12 Petershill 6-0 Whitehills
13 Fraserburgh 2-1 Ashfield
14 Heston Rovers 0-2 Greenock
15 Tayport 0-2 Huntly
16 Musselburgh Athletic 3-1 Bo'ness United
17 Auchinleck Talbot 2-1 Cumbernauld United
18 Edinburgh University 2-1 Rothes AET
19 Neilston 4-0 Dundee Violet
20 Peebles Rovers 0-0 Blantyre Victoria AET, Blantyre Victoria 4-3 on pens
21 Gartcairn 4-0 Ellon United
22 Dufftown 0-6 Kilwinning Rangers
23 Turriff United 2-0 Vale of Clyde
24 Dundonald Bluebell 2-0 Glasgow University
25 Brora Rangers 5-0 Muirkirk
26 Largs Thistle 3-2 Fauldhouse United
27 Kinnoull 2-2 Kilsyth Rangers AET, Kinnoull 5-4 on pens
28 Bathgate Thistle 2-3 Nairn Saint Ninian
29 Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic 1-0 Abbey Vale
30 Dalbeattie Star 1-2 Burntisland Shipyard
31 Kennoway Star Hearts 2-1 Islavale
32 Rothie Rovers 1-4 Shotts Bon Accord
33 Dunbar United 2-0 Vale of Leven
34 Craigroyston 2-1 Buchanhaven Hearts AET
35 Irvine Victoria 1-3 Preston Athletic
36 Buckie Thistle 1-1 Stonehaven AET, Buckie Thistle 4-3 on pens
37 Downfield 2-0 Hermes
38 Whitehill Welfare 4-0 Larkhall Thistle
39 Scone Thistle 3-0 Maud
40 Cumnock 1-0 Kirriemuir Thistle
41 New Elgin 1-0 Luncarty
42 Formartine United 0-3 Pollok
43 East Stirlingshire 4-0 Culter
44 Glenafton Athletic 5-0 Gretna
45 Strathspey Thistle 0-2 East Kilbride
46 Saint Andrews United 0-1 Lochore Welfare
47 Clachnacuddin 2-1 Cumbernauld Colts
48 Deveronvale 3-0 Brechin Victoria
49 East Craigie 5-0 Saint Cadoc's Youth Club
50 Port Glasgow 1-2 Pumpherston
51 Dalkeith Thistle 5-0 Longside
52 Dundee North End 3-0 Leith Athletic
53 Hill of Beath Hawthorn 4-0 Drumchapel United
54 Sauchie 1-1 Saint Duthus AET, Sauchie 5-3 on pens
55 Stoneywood Parkvale 4-1 Glenrothes
56 Fort William 4-1 Buckie Rovers
57 Camelon 3-2 Clydebank
58 Banks o' Dee 2-1 Colony Park
59 Bonar Bridge 0-1 Linlithgow Rose Commnunity
60 Newburgh 4-2 Lochee Harp
61 Annbank United 2-1 Livingston United AET
62 Renfrew 0-0 East End AET, Renfrew 5-3 on pens
63 Berwick Rangers 2-1 Whitletts Victoria
64 Lochmaben 0-1 Upper Annandale
65 Craigmark Burntonians 2-1 Coldstream
66 Wishaw 1-2 Invergordon
67 Inverkeithing Hillfield Swifts 2-1 Caledonian Braves
68 Civil Service Strollers 7-0 Syngenta
69 Dunipace 2-1 Thornton Hibs
70 Darvel 4-0 Lesmahagow
71 Maryhill 2-1 Cambuslang Rangers
72 Forfar Albion 0-5 Lochee United
73 Lochar Thistle 0-2 Broughty Athletic
74 Linlithgow Rose 1-2 Forres Mechanics
75 Aberdeen University 1-2 Lothian Thistle Hutchison Vale
76 Arniston Rangers 2-1 Golspie Sutherland
77 Keith 4-2 Whitburn
78 Jeanfield Swifts 2-1 Gala Fairydean Rovers
79 Arthurlie 3-1 Montrose Roselea
80 Thorniewood United 1-9 Hurlford United
81 Troon 4-0 Banchory Saint Ternan
82 Carnoustie Panmure 4-0 Alness United
83 Saint Anthony's 2-1 Heriot-Watt University
84 Lugar Boswell Thistle 1-1 Ormiston AET, Ormiston 4-3 on pens
85 Stirling University 4-0 Arbroath Victoria
86 Bonnyton Thistle 0-5 Nairn County
87 BSC Glasgow 4-0 East Kilbride Thistle
88 Carluke Rovers 1-0 Edinburgh South
89 Maybole 2-2 Bellshill Athletic AET, Bellshill Athletic 3-2 on pens
90 Rutherglen Glencairn 3-1 Lochgelly Albert0
Junior football, what is the future?
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Posted · Edited by mcruic
Yeah, I thought regionalisation at Tier 7 would be better too, but I went with what EoS is doing at the moment - which is no regionalisation. Another problem is if we use Tayside as North, and the rest as South, below the top level, the 60 remaining teams would be divided 41-19 in favour of the South. That could be balanced to 31-29 in favour of the North if Tayside + Fife was North and Lothian + Borders was South. Then there would be even less travelling for the likes of Whitburn, as they'd only have to play Lothian teams, and would avoid having to travel to distant Fife...
Here's how a 1-2-2 structure would look. Whitburn playing mostly Lothian teams in first year, and if they got promoted, more of the same. So only at Tier 6 might they encounter some trips to the other side of the world.