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2 hours ago, Captain Sham said:
I do get the point you make however to say it’s only an extra £400 raised, that is a top L2 player wage for that week. If we want to be competitive at the right end of L2, the reality of the situation is fans need to play their part in making the club successful as we don’t want a repeat of last year. Terrible look or not the simple fact is we need more money and the fans need to buy tickets to make that happen.
You could raise an extra £400 per home game by getting 23 or 24 more punters through the door at £17 a skull. Surely attempting to grow the fan base is a better model than fleecing those who already turn up harder.
The walk up prices are a joke but in contrast the season ticket is very good value at just over £14 per game if you attend all 18 (as is the child for a fiver season ticket). We could easily have stuck another £20-£40 on the season ticket price and it would still work out well under the walk up price.
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Surely we could have used the benefit of the mystery benefactor to subsidise the prices as a thank you to the fans for all the shite we’ve put up with of late. £19 for a Scottish League 2 game is taking the piss.
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1 minute ago, rockson said:
Because they couldn't read his name?
Well spotted!
I did of course mean ineligible.
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The Wikipedia page now seems more up to date than the source website.
Crazy fixture backlog for BOD Thistle, into June and still 4 games left, mental!
Why are the penalties for fielding an illegible player so severe? Most leagues it’s 3 points but I notice Dyce and East End got 6 points and Stonehaven got 7?
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28 minutes ago, Stylish Kid said:
That was turgid. Whisper it, but until the 85th minute, McGinn did f**k all. N.B. that's not me saying he should be binned, he is 100% a starter, but like many he was shite today.
It’s good he got the full 90mins in this pointless match though. Wouldn’t want him rusty after only playing 50 odd times for Villa this season.
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On 30/05/2024 at 13:28, tamthebam said:
Although being chucked out would be worth it to avoid playing Clyde.
On 31/05/2024 at 21:35, Tenkay said:TBH, we're at a stage where I'd not be too disappointed to go back to the Lowland league!
Best of all, it would save us having to play Clyde 4 or 5 times.
You boys are absolutely bricking it from playing the famous Bully Wee. You are probably not alone to be fair, the Clyde are back baby!
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38 minutes ago, Sermani said:
Why should the league move voluntarily?
I did say COULD rather than SHOULD but the SoS has already lost Threave, if a couple of other bigger teams defect over is there much of a future for the league, especially at tier 6?
Progression into the lower reaches of the west would be gentler than straight into the lowland league which Dalbeattie indicated they didn’t really fancy anyway (despite also being miles off it on the field). It would also allow some new blood into the league, the likes of Kello rovers could easily drop in there.
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11 hours ago, virginton said:
The gap between the top and bottom of WosL4 is already very large and in all likelihood would only be enhanced by having the very weakest South of Scotland leagues participating in it. The regional leagues in the North are also either massively unbalanced (see Dundee North End pipping Broughty via a parade of largely easy wins at season's end) or in the North Caley's case, only competitive because the only club dropping into it was a basketcase. It's not an issue unique to the South region at all.
And in the meantime, 'ambitious' clubs with a licence have ample opportunity to test their mettle in cup competitions throughout the season, before a play-off takes place. The quality of league is no more convincing an obstacle to progression for them than it is for the Old Firm whenever their fans make that excuse after getting humped in Europe.
The SoS could move in its entirety to sit parallel to wosfl4. That would allow the majority of them to stay together forevermore at a more appropriate level whilst offering the stronger clubs like Dalbeattie a pathway to progression that wouldn’t end in 12-2 aggregate pumpings.
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Has any explanation ever been given as to why the lowland league is apparently capped at 16 (excluding ‘guests’) yet the highland league is allowed 18?
Not only does the highland league struggle a lot more to get games played but the gulf from top to bottom is enormous.
IMO the lowland league should also be 18 teams (with no b-teams) but if the SPFL insist on 16 then why not shrink the highland league to match.
ETA: even at 18 plus 2 guests I reckon the lowland league could easily fit in a 38 game season especially if they ditch one of the 200 diddy cups.
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9 hours ago, Burnieman said:
You know you’ve been reading these forums too long when ‘former senior clubs’ has you cringing.
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To be fair you can’t blame the former SPFL sides for not looking a gift horse in the mouth.
The blame here lies entirely with whoever thought it was a good idea to ignore sporting integrity and invite in sides from way down the table.
As much as the irony of hearing Cumbernauld colts bleating about sporting integrity is hard to stomach I do feel sorry for Linlithgow and Tranent. Surely it’s not too late for common sense to prevail here! (I won’t hold my breath).
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2 hours ago, ScottR96 said:
We’ll be at home to Motherwell and Montrose, away to Thistle and Edinburgh if it works the same as it has in recent years.
Think you are correct, away to Edinburgh for a third time potentially in one season, yay!
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10 hours ago, 19QOS19 said:
At least if Edinburgh do get kicked out they won't be replaced by a side like you've described...
You’re assuming the invite won’t go to Cowdenbeath or Albion rovers but who can say…
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10 minutes ago, BB_Bino said:
I wonder what Steve is up to these days?
About 20 stone I’d imagine…
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54 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said:
Just when you think this shite tournament can't get any more farcical. Fair play to the authorities
Absolutely this. The Welsh and northern Irish teams were far less of an issue than b-teams. Also to imply in their statement it was due to scheduling difficulties is underhand as it was the old firm b-teams that kept causing problems there by not playing their games in the scheduled slots due to youth international call ups.
The selection of the lowland league participants is an absolute farce too. Shire are closer to the EoS league than the SPFL FFS. Imagine having the brass neck to invite in the old boys despite their league positions!
Fair play on the improved sponsorship but what a minter of a lineup.
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4 minutes ago, virginton said:
That's not a purpose - that's an assertion. Whether it has a 'full tier 6 league' or not has absolutely zero impact on the overall functioning of the league setup. So what purpose would changing this have?
Still not seeing any purpose from your deep-seated concern about whatever is impeding these top quality non-league teams from progressing though.
15 years isn't any time soon, but it'll take at least that until the quirks of the pyramid setup (as you describe it) could possibly resolve themselves under any system anyway.
I don't understand what the issue is, given that there is literally no obstacle placed in the way of the stronger regional champions to progress. If you're better than the opposition, you go up.
You will never achieve some ideal-type, equal setup btw. Take a look at the nick of the English National League North - a setup that has by now chucked any semblance of regional coherence in pursuit of 'equalising' club attainment across different tiers and regions.
With the far more limited resources for clubs in the non-league tiers of Scotland, I know which option I'd favour to ensure the health of grassroots football in every part of the country rather than just the Central Belt.
I think you might be overestimating my strength of feeling on the matter. I’m not losing any sleep over it!
As you say the pyramid functions as it is and the SoS league is causing no obstacle. My point was that it’s not a great look when two champions of the same tier are separated by a 12-2 agg score and the SoS is nowhere near the quality of the other tier 6 leagues. That much is unarguable.
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3 minutes ago, virginton said:
For what purpose should this change be made? Any football club that is good enough to progressing upwards in the LL catchment area already has the opportunity to do so. The only roadblock to this is not in fact the presence of the SoS league at tier 6, but rather the long-term failure of WoS clubs to put ground infrastructure before their first team squad.
There will *obviously* be a period of dominant West teams pushing through that bottleneck in the near future, but the relevant question is this: how will each region look like in a decade or 15 years' time? Would Dunbar United or Largs Thistle be inherently of a higher quality than Gretna and Dalbeattie, that competing in a play-off is beneath their dignity? After the supposed big-hitters have already left the East/West leagues to be replaced by what... Broomhill and Caley Braves etc.?
The reality is that every season is a calibration of the existing pyramid that reduces the major imbalances at its creation. There's nothing in the current structure that prevents that from continuing to the point where a healthy equilibrium is reached.
The purpose would be that Dumfries and Galloway doesn’t really warrant having a full tier 6 league to itself and that it should be merged with the WoS league system. It’s really just a quirk of the way the pyramid came together that it sits at that level.
The fact that Threave (a traditionally strong sos side) have now stalled in div3 of the west and the playoff results for Dalbeattie adds further evidence that the league is totally misplaced in terms of quality.Obviously the gulf in quality will reduce as more big hitters move into the lowland league over time but I still don’t see a SoS winning the playoff anytime soon.
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Despite getting absolutely gubbed the Dalbeattie no20 did catch my eye with how good he was at retaining possession. No surprise to see it was Dan Carmichael who has played at a decent level.
Having taken in both legs the gulf between the sides was enormous, there is no way the sos should be at tier 6.
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13 hours ago, An Absolute Imposter said:
A major issue for that possibly happening now is that the WOSFL have stated that they are unwilling to go above 80 clubs.
So what happens if broomhill finish bottom of the lowland league next season and jeanfield get promoted from the EoS league?
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21 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said:
Nope. Can't pick and chose where you get relegated to. Just as when Brechin were denied permission to go to Lowland League.
Threave were allowed to switch, as indeed Gretna would be as far as I know, but they'd start at the bottom of the West League, not the top division of it.
The whole SoS league should join at the bottom of the WoS IMO. Perhaps having two regionalised divisions at the bottom tier to keep the SoS teams together. That’s the level most of them belong at and the top 3 or 4 could progress as Threave have attempted to do.
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One of the biggest problems we have in Scottish football is the obsession for every match to ‘mean something’.
It’s holding back youth development as just about every premier league side is packed with poor foreigners or absolute jobbers from the lower reaches of the English leagues. The percentage of Scottish players playing in our top flight should be way higher. The championship is an unstable environment too as the risk of going down to league 1 is a constant pressure and a real problem for full time sides.
The leagues are also far too small. Ideally League 1 and 2 should be knocked together but then you lose the opportunity to win league 2 (the pinnacle of achievement for some clubs
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Personally I would find a larger league playing each team twice much more attractive than playing the same teams over and over again. If you get drawn in the same league cup group and both make playoffs you could play the same team at least 7 times in a single season.
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7 hours ago, Skyline Drifter said:
Pretty sure this is wrong. Dalbeattie went down to the South League and it was made clear this season that regardless of their preference, Gretna would be going to the South League if they went down too (in the end they didn't).
Surely letting threave defect to the WoS when geographically they should have been SoS has sunk that argument? It’s ridiculous they were allowed to jump ship so why shouldn’t other teams now have a choice.
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Surely it’s time to get the b-teams out of the challenge cup too. Some of the smaller premier league teams aren’t even able to field a side and end up withdrawing. Most of the others get whipped off highland and lowland league sides. The only b-teams that generally progress are the old firm and this causes problems as the games are played during international weekends when they can’t field a team due to youth internationals.
There is no way you can convince me that playing a couple of matches per season in this competition has any meaningful impact on player development. The only purpose has seemingly been to make a precedent for them being in the lowland league.
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16 minutes ago, GallowayBlue said:
12 team league would surely require minimal reallocation of funds.
Okay it would require more than just the League 2 clubs to contribute but if 42 clubs paid in it would surely amount to no more than a few thousand each?
I’ll let you sell that to the Stranraer board. For just a few thousand pounds less in prize money we could massively increase the chances of relegation. Who’s for it?
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Clyde FC Season 24/25
in Scottish League 2 General Chatter
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If entry prices are performance related then the board should have had the prices down to about a fiver last season when it was obvious after a couple of games that we were dugmeat and Duffy had signed a bunch of ringers.