Buddist Monk
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I await all the apologies when Ross is not named Barnsley manager.
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1 minute ago, The Moonster said:
This from the man who had a go at somebody else for being condescending yesterday
I'd love for you to point out anywhere in my reply that is condescending. I thought I was being entirely fair, the poster was claiming some dichotomy. It didn't exist.
Just now, 19QOS19 said:Because most managers will have ambitions to move up the ladder rather than stay where they are.
So every manager will take a bigger job no matter what. Doesn't matter the current position they are in, their home life and family, doesn't matter the league position they are going to or the longevity of managers in that league. Absolutely none of that matters.
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8 minutes ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said:
About what?
Like I said no one is being ridiculous about it. Whether you agree with them or not.Two fold, really.
Our own fanbase are notorious knicker wetters. I mean, I love them in a misanthropic manner, but we really we can be our own worst enemy. The idea that as things are going well it's all going to go tits up and a possible link with Ross is given far more weight than it really should.
The other side is fans who have never listened to Ross making huge assumptions. Now just because I've followed his comments doesn't make me an expert on the matter but I'd maybe consider that it provides more of an insight. The whole "well it's money" without actually justifying that is also part of that exasperation.
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7 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said:
And to any manager in this country outwith Aberdeen and the OF I'd imagine.
And you base that on what in particular?
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2 minutes ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said:
No there isn't. It's the absolute bog standard discussion that surrounds any manager or player being linked with a bigger club.
What you have stated is in no way mutually exclusive to my claim.
2 minutes ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said:You do seem to display a bit of a defensive tone when anyone dares to have a differing opinion from yourself which is fairly odd given the nature of 90% of the comments made on this thread so far.
Exasperated is probably the best word.
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7 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said:
Money aside it's still a no brainer tbh.
To you perhaps.
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27 minutes ago, Dunning1874 said:
.. stuff ..
I said it's unlikely Barnsley would go for Ross because of the other far more experienced candidates, that is in no way at odds with the assumption that if he continues to do well he'll get linked to championship jobs. Almost the entirety of your post is about proving some conflict in my opinion; having my cake as it were.
All you've done though is correlate. Is Ross capable of managing at that level? Probably. Would teams be interested? Probably. Will there be Championship jobs available in the future? Probably. Is a successful manager going to get linked with them? Probably.
I hope that clears it up a little for you. As for the rest of your post...
"lashing out", that's hilarious. I'm stating the blindingly obvious, and tempering it with what the guy himself has said. I don't see anywhere I have been confrontational or down right rude. So I'm not sure of the validity of this claim.
I have at no point entirely dismissed the possibility.
So, really, I should give you a +1 simply for taking the time and dissecting what is going on here, however I can't because you've misinterpreted (misappropriated/misunderstood, take your pick of the least inflammatory terms) what I have said. Who knows, maybe this is an issue with my communication. I mean I don't feel I have been unclear.
What is entirely clear is that there are an absolute shit ton of people on here who have never listened to a Jack Ross interview in their lives, who are now postulating his moves based on their own grubby desires for more money.
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1 hour ago, Buddist Monk said:
So have we got past the point of some saints fans going, "Listen to what he has said for the last year", and other less informed funsters giving it the "it's all for the money"?
4 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said:If it turned out he was offered the job then it'd be a no-brainer to take it.
So that's a no, we haven't.
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So have we got past the point of some saints fans going, "Listen to what he has said for the last year", and other less informed funsters giving it the "it's all for the money"?
This seems to be the split here. Those who have actually followed what Ross has said and done, and those who know f**k all but are immediately ITK because there might be some money involved.
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2 minutes ago, MacArab said:
No. Of course not.....
That wouldn’t be very much fun now would it?
aww...
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1 minute ago, MacArab said:
This is very exciting......
Maybe (just maybe) there could be a wee twist in the tale before the final outcome of the championship is decided.
There is no doubting that Ross has done an unbelievable job with you lads and a change in manager could maybe upset things a little.
If this turns out to be the case, and all you Buddies quite justifiablygo and hunt down Buddist Monk for cursing you with his (some could argue) presumptuous and somewhat premature banner about being champions, can you let us know when his well deserved punishment is going to be doled out, as we would definitely bring a busload down to watch.....
Cheers.
On the flip side, does that mean I am lauded when we do officially receive the title? Will you United boys be sending down a bus for my party?
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3 minutes ago, djchapsticks said:
Normally I would agree with you.
However, in the summer, St Mirren knocked back an offer from Burton Albion, a side who were always likely to be (and are) struggling in the English Championship for Lewis Morgan.
Jack Ross was interviewed in the wake of this and asked if Lewis was upset, disappointed or angry at missing out his chance to prove himself at a higher level and Jack said to the press that Lewis has confidence in his own ability to be certain that bigger and better opportunities were coming by continuing to do what he's doing. That he'd bide his time and get the big move as he had belief in his ability to do so.
Jack Ross will almost certainly apply that advice to himself that he imparted onto Morgan. I'm not saying he won't take the Barnsley job if offered. He might well do so if the job and opportunity appeals to him. I'm saying that your logic of him taking it as his fear of a job not being there in 6 months due to his stock potentially falling doesn't really apply to him.
If it did he'd have jumped ship a league upwards to Dundee at the first opportunity.
Anyway, Que sera. Will be interesting to see how this pans out. Couldn't stomach such a wonderful man going to Sevco in the summer though.
Careful, that sort of sensible logic does not go down well here...
Spoiler
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1 minute ago, jagfox99 said:
The names you mention could well fall out with the budget Barnsley have ring fenced for their new manager.
Yet your previous reply stated... "supposed large level of investment funds available" ..which would surely open up more managerial options.
Not sure of the actual cost of dropping a division, but I'm guessing it would be considerably more than what they'd pay even a top top manager for a season.
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12 minutes ago, jagfox99 said:
Barnsley whilst achieving little in their history have taken on new owners with supposed large level of investment funds available.
Jack would certainly be a viable option and any compensation would be cheaper than even signing the likes of Ben Garner (WBA), Darren Moore (WBA) ley alone the likes of McCarthy and Grant McCaan at Peterborough.
I could certainly see Jack fitting the bill at Oakwell. I guess we'll all find out soon enough as they want a new man in place by next weekend.
Your whole post is a good summary, the one caveat regarding the investment. That's fine when the window is open. A relegation battle is no fun when you have the money to spend but can't spend it.
12 minutes ago, jagfox99 said:The names after that seem to be coaches in the English leagues. Most I've not even heard of.
So they are not a huge club but would have resources way above those in the Scottish league outside the top four or five teams.
Jack would certainly be a viable option and any compensation would be cheaper than even signing the likes of Ben Garner (WBA), Darren Moore (WBA) ley alone the likes of McCarthy and Grant McCaan at Peterborough.
I could certainly see Jack fitting the bill at Oakwell. I guess we'll all find out soon enough as they want a new man in place by next weekend.
McCarthy, Monk, Robinson, Robins and several others have all been "soft" linked. These are all well kent names.
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9 minutes ago, The Moonster said:
You actually did say that (see below) but if you want to revise what you meant then fair enough. My second paragraph makes perfect sense, you've misunderstood it though. I'm not arguing there won't be any jobs available, I'm arguing that right now Jack Ross can't work on the assumption that he will be offered those jobs in 6 months time.
Ah, ok, sorry, you know how these comment chains go, the initial quote gets buried by subsequent ones. My apologies for that.
I'd still stand by it, btw, in terms of "glorious" and "basketcase" the Barnsley job is considerably more slanted to the latter.
You could argue Ross' stock may be lower or that of the jobs available he'll not be linked with them, but that's just whatabootery. Something I suppose we are both indulging in, and all we can do is agree that he might or might not. His stock will be higher though as he will have won a league and now testing himself against the OF. A yardstick that is sickeningly used by those outside Scottish football.
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4 minutes ago, Jamie_M said:
And far too much significance is being given to a potential Scottish Championship win on his CV, which he would still claim anyway even if he left today.
I think it's more a personal goal. Were you happy you (and as a Morton fan I'm going to go out on a limb here..
) passed your O levels, A levels, perhaps a degree or a masters. These are personal development milestones. To walk away from your first ever significant management accolade would seemingly go against what he's said previously. Of course he'll get a chance at another club, Barnsley is a massive gamble on both sides, imo.
So in that sense I'm not holding the Championship title as a CV addition, although it is, more that it would seem to be an important personal achievement.
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Just now, Insaintee said:
Think Hopkins might be a good replacement
On a side note, if Ross went (which he won't) I too think that Hopkins would be a decent shout.
If he can change his playing style from thuggery to technique..
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5 minutes ago, LiviLion said:
Buddist Monk really isn't taking this well, can't imagine the meltdown he'll have if/when Ross does leave.
I don't think you are taking this well, in fact it's clear you are fuming. No? Oh, right you're not, and neither am I. Shall we put to rest the rather transparent school playground explicit assumptions?
I may be a (frustratingly) lone voice in my opinion but that won't stop me pointing out utterly obvious points. If people think "am raging" then tediosity is clearly the norm on here.
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2 minutes ago, Jamie_M said:
Just several hundred thousand pounds.You seemed to have missed the word "overall" in my comment. Financially beneficial it may be, but that is only one tiny part of the situation.
1 minute ago, The Moonster said:Fair enough, we disagree on point 1.
Arguing for the sake of it? You explicitly said he could wait 6 months and get a bigger job in the Championship. Your only basis for that is "Championship jobs are going thick and fast" which whilst it might be true doesn't mean that Jack Ross will be considered for them. If he gets an offer from Barnsley then that's all he can consider, he can't sit there thinking "aye but Derby or someone might fancy me in the summer".
No, you're trying to point out that Barnsley would be a bad move for Jack Ross. I think you might be in the minority there. Most other Saints fans I see are taking the "if he goes, he goes" approach, I don't see much knicker wetting going on at all.
I never said he'd get a bigger job, I said jobs in the Championship are not rare. Which they aren't. You could argue there won't be any available next season but in doing that you are simply arguing against the evidence of season's past. You then go all out in some sort of whatabootey stream of consciousness. So all in all that second paragraph makes little sense.
As for the knicker wetting, like the Morton fan I understand why a supporter of another team would only have a cursory grasp of the psyche of a fanbase I've been part of for (many) decades. If there is one thing St Mirren fans do, it's dour, and they do that in abundance. Ever hear us boo, ffs? We are masters of the perceived slight. Our fan base has been knicker wetting for years, and because Ross is clearly an asset the mindset is that we will somehow automatically lose him to anyone, just fucking anyone - in fact the idea that he didn't go to Dundee is still surprising to some of our support.
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4 minutes ago, Bring Back Paddy Flannery said:
I'm not sure he's the angry one here tbqhwy...
I don't think anyone is angry here. That is the very point I was making by posting that.
Just now, Soctty said:I'm seething...
Neither of us are, which just shows the superfluousness of your suggestion I was.
1 minute ago, Jamie_M said:Is he intending to jump? No. Does he want to complete the job at St Mirren? Absolutely. Will his mindset change if a lucrative offer of genuine progression is on the table? Quite possibly.
Ross will go at some time, I just don't see the overall benefit of it being Barnsley at present.
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4 minutes ago, Soctty said:
We've got a live one here...
Why are you so angry?
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6 minutes ago, The Moonster said:
You would be completely surprised if Jack Ross took a wage rise of 5x his salary to go and manage in the 3rd most watched league in European football, rather than staying at St Mirren for a Scottish Championship winners medal?
Yes. Although I'll caveat it with a "surprised" rather than "completely surprised". However it's a considerably more subtle situation that your rather slanted take on the matter.
7 minutes ago, The Moonster said:Which Championship clubs will definitely offer him a job in 6 months time?
Now you are just arguing for the sake of it.
7 minutes ago, The Moonster said:It's the opposite going on here, St Mirren fans scrambling to shout down anyone who says the move would make sense from Jack Ross' point of view. As a Dumbarton fan I can assure you it makes absolutely no difference to me who your manager is.
What utter bullshit. Nobody is scrambling or shouting down. Such melodrama on your part. What some of us are trying to point out is that there needs to be a bit of level headed contemplation from some St Mirren fans. We are, as a bunch, ridiculously negative and we really need to stop being so.
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2 minutes ago, Soctty said:
You're frothing at the mouth..
If anything I've been a voice of reason, so much so you need to resort to suggesting I am naive and angry. I can assure you I am neither.
I find the pant wetting acceptance that "ooh, it's a big club", "ooh, it's a lot of money" to be just too simplistic and a massive generalisation.
Am I saying Barnsely wouldn't be interested? No, I am not, although as been pointed out here there has been no formal contact. Am I saying he'd speak to them if asked? Yes, I think he would and I'd encourage him to. Am I saying he'd be offered the job? No, I really don't see how he will be, it would be far too big a gamble for Barnsley. Am I saying he'd take the job right now if offered? No, I don't think he would.
As for the idea I am getting worked up about this is laughable, no one man is bigger than the club and the back of the league has been broken so all he needs to do is wait a few months for his first ever managerial silverware. Do you think he's going to give up that, even aside all the rest of the reasons I don't think he'd leave - just now.
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Just now, Coventry Saint said:
...but how much experience did Garry Monk have when Swansea gave him the job? What about Chris Hughton - he generally kicked around the championship before striking gold with/for Brighton?
Really? I feel you do not frequent wikipedia then.
You mean Chris Hughton who got Newcastle promoted, and Birmingham into the playoffs, or perhaps you mean Gary Monk who was a Swansea player, then coach, then caretaker manager then manager over a decade or so. Both of those were not randoms picked up from the lower leagues of Scotland.
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