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1 hour ago, Skyline Drifter said:
Call it whataboutery all you like but its a fact.
I called it whatabootery because it was - "This is not a good situation" // "Ah, but what about the time..."
1 hour ago, Skyline Drifter said:...you would pretty much be in it now anyway likely. The period immediately before a player window opens seems to me to the obvious time for it.
And that is a fair point. The example I gave was one where Ipswich decided against Ross and another club comes chasing him later on in the window.
1 hour ago, Skyline Drifter said:In any event, I appreciate its a pain in the backside when your manager is publicly courted from above, particularly if it drags on a bit, but the amount of knicker wetting from some posters on this thread is ridiculous given the same posters didnt utter a word when the shoe was on the other foot.
I was more musing about what can be done to minimise the upheaval and on a general scale rather than just specifically about us. I'm already on record as saying that some job offers, with the opportunity for Ross to see how other clubs are setup and run, could be beneficial if he remains with us. You could probably argue that there has been some negative effect, albeit somewhat negligible.
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11 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:
This is not an awkward time to lose a manager, its about two or three full months until the league starts FFS
Do keep up...
5 hours ago, Buddist Monk said:The season isn't quite finished yet (Livi/Partick) and the window isn't open so that isn't a concern for us just now.
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14 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said:
None of this seemed to bother any of you much when you took Alloa's manager mid season though did it?
Whatabootery isn't really the answer though, is it? Of course we are going to take advantage of the rules (or lack of them) as everyone else will be as well.
Scottish clubs could go down the DoF/Head Coach route, that way the DoF buys players for the club, not the manager. Hopefully keeping some consistency rather than needing to change a team every time a new manager comes in. Obviously a new manager will want their own players but they'd be walking into an already existing system rather than implementing their own.
What, if anything, can be done is the real problem. You could say before the player transfer window was introduced, everyone assumed that was just the way things worked, and since then people have accepted those changes. Could a manager window also be brought in? I'm not sure. Am I arguing for a manager window? No, not really, just putting it out as one way to minimise the upheaval of losing a manager at a really awkward time.
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21 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said:
Thats right, it should be possible to prevent employees changing jobs when they already have one. Just selfish entertaining a better job offer when you already have one.
I take the point you are making, but the fly in the ointment is the player window. There are all sorts of problems around introducing a manager window but I would like to see some protection for clubs who find themselves in the situation of losing their manager after they've brought a load of players in. What that protection could be? Who knows.
The season isn't quite finished yet (Livi/Partick) and the window isn't open so that isn't a concern for us just now, but if Ipswich decide against Ross and another club pops up in a month or two's time then it could cause us all sorts of problems.
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Oh, go on, I'll throw this in for the lulz.. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44109888
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One thing I would say is that between the season starting and the winter transfer window opening the board should simply state Ross is going nowhere. Ross would need to agree to it, but you feel that if it's not sorted by the time the season starts then he's clearly not that important to the chasing clubs.
I think this leans towards a transfer window for managers, something I wouldn't entirely be against.
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4 minutes ago, Demented Zebra said:
Dundee United and ST Mirren chasing Clark signature. Local Dundee paper.
Would the local Dundee paper be the telegraph and would the reporting journalist be Duthie?
If both of those cases are true, then the information contained within the article is most definitely bullshit.
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2 minutes ago, Demented Zebra said:Ross pondering over contract for Ipswich with rumours spreading another club wants him.
If this is also from the same publication then I refer people to my previous comment.
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What's wee Gus up to these days?
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1 minute ago, Coventry Saint said:
Not sure about McGinn, but did Thommo not really fancy the job at one point, too?
I thought he'd done his badges, etc, and the word on the street was he was a bit put out when Goodwin and Teale were made Tommy Craig's assistants.
Not that I think Thommo would necessarily be a good manager.
Would Thompson give up his lucrative media work. I'm guessing it is lucrative purely by the amount of appearances he makes!
For me, if we go for a seasoned head, I'd like to see a young assistant learning the ropes. The role model for that could be something like St Johnstone where Davidson seems to have come on well under Wright. Goodwin, if he wasn't already in a managerial position, Thompson or McGinn seem like the obvious ones. You know, "St Mirren minded", as it were.
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Out of interest, does McGinn have any coaching badges? He's only 29 so it's not like it's time for him to hang up his boots, but he is the sort of player who has such an affinity to the club that I'd like to see him streamlined into possible future management.
All depending, of course, if he fancies it.
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Shall we throw another name into the hat? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/44140002
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I don't wish to be a contrarian, but I think he'll stay. Not certain, definitely not, but I've got a feeling if he was to go it would have been before now.
I am with @Stu here regarding Neilson, but I wouldn't be overly fussed if that's how this all ended up. Does anyone know what his signing policy was like at MK Dons? If Ross is snaffled up by Ipswich I'd be expecting at least a couple hundred thousand in compensation. At (lower) Premiership level that's worth 2 or 3 players.
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Just now, Sonsteam of 08 said:
Is McG not one of the most ITK St Mirren posters on here?
Certainly they've been pretty consistent, and while I am loath to speak for them I'd expect that if they had some crucial information they wouldn't hide it behind some claim about the bookies.
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35 minutes ago, McG said:
Jack Ross now odds on with skybet, my bet is he will be away by the end of the week.
Hope I'm wrong.
I see why you would mention it, but I wouldn't take bookies favourites as a reliable source.
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RE: The Rangers statement - why don't they just say, "we disagree with the actions of the SFA and will contest them in the court of law", boom, done, no fucking about with whining about treatment or previous rulings. What they've done there just looks petty, small minded and considerably less than professional. I mean we all love a laugh at their inability to realise what a parody act they've turned into, but seriously, ffs, when will they learn?
As for Rangers Media, I am still convinced a considerable proportion of posters on there are "at it", perhaps it's just a litany of trolls unaware no actual Rangers fans post there!
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2 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:
I think you're making that up m
Perhaps I am, you got the red dot for the deluded comment - as it's clear you don't really have much understanding of the situation - and I've red dotted you before for blatant misogyny, but from memory you were also claiming that Ross was off to Barnsley. If that's not the case then the error is on my side. The red dots however, were earned and deserved.
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11 hours ago, RandomGuy. said:
Utterly deluded.
Every time Ross is linked you are all over this thread claiming everyone is deluded and he is away.
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Ross/Ipswich:
For me the Ipswich job relies on two things; first is whether Ross is a genuine candidate - at this point I feel he's making up the numbers, second is leaving a job half done. It was more the latter that persuaded me strongly he'd not take the Barnsley job and he didn't and I believe that is still a strong motivator for him. He could go South, of that there is no doubt, I am not sure he will and in fact as the days go on I feel it's getting less and less likely.
Now, if you were to ask me what will happen next season - regardless of where we end up - I would be surprised if he's still here.
O'Hara/Holt:
Of the two I've been impressed with O'Hara but it's fair to say I haven't seen a lot of the guy. However if he did sign it would be a real coop for us, as he's been touted as interesting both sides of the OF (pinch of salt always with the red tops, of course). Maybe Celtic will buy him and immediately loan him back out, after all it's worked for us already!
Can't say I've noticed Holt much, but maybe that's not such a bad thing. You tend to get noticed if you are brilliant or dreadful, workman like consistency rarely gets attention. That said if we were to fill the team 3/4 full of consistent workman like players I wouldn't be too disappointed.
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56 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said:
Knowing women, I doubt he'd even be having interviews if they hadn't agreed he could move down there.
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18 minutes ago, Buttocks Brown said:
Let's not assume he's away just yet....
This.
While I am less certain that he won't go this time, I feel a lot of our support are accepting this as a "done deal". It's not, and random ex players and pundits coming out with their ever tiresome rent-a-quote doesn't help that. Lee Mair claiming Ross is destined for England, is a perfect example. You put in a decent shift in the stripes Mair, now is the time to shut the f**k up with your completely unqualified opinion.
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btw, I get why people are mentioning him; he's free and all over the media just now, but is Robbie Neilson really the person most would want to take over if Ross went?
He had a decent 2 years at Hearts, very much under Levein's wing, and came into the club just as the financial issues were being resolved offering stability. He also was competing in the Championship. I am not saying he didn't do a good job but he's also been very lucky with the way things lined up. Fast forward on another couple of years and without all those benefits of finance and support his team dropped like a stone (admittedly after a decent start).
So we have a guy who has been successful in a very specific set of circumstances that failed to take that luck with them. Was it just MK Dons or was it Neilson?
As I say I get why people are touting him, but really his record isn't that great. If we were still a Championship side then I'd be happy to take that gamble, as a Premiership club and a Premiership club that is likely to struggle, and desperately needs to avoid yo-yo'ing, I am not overly convinced.
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20 minutes ago, sergie's no1 fan said:
We are assuming there is a clause in the contract which allows him to talk to other clubs, or an agreement in place with the board which the club needs to stick with to earn and build trust with future managers and players, we can't be seen breaking promises.
I would expect, after the last time, there is a clause that allows him to speak to other clubs, but that is tied up with his longer contract and therefore more compensation if/when he moves.
However, let's put this into a slightly better light. If he wasn't talking to other clubs, it's likely he would be far more tempted to jump than not, at least we know that he will have done his due diligence rather than forcing the situation leaving him in a brinkmanship position with the club. I also have no problems with Ross touring every single club in the country if it means he comes back with more information on how we can improve our setup and/or increase our revenue.
Clubs like Ipswich are the sort of place I'd expect him to end up though. Not in the limelight, not in the centre of London or in the wilds of Yorkshire. It's a stable club, that has seen both Premier league and seaside leagues in their time. Suffolk is a pretty nice place with a decent coastline, good climate and typical leafy back roads as you come inland. That said it is stuffed full of English, and worse still it's the hateful racist SE coast English, which makes it a pretty toxic area to live in if you are either (a) not English and (b) don't immediately hate anyone that isn't white skinned. Still there is Cambridge to the West which is a little more accepting of other cultures.
Do I think he'll go to them? I'm not sure, more from the point of Ipswich. I have a feeling he's just making the numbers up, but equally so I feel he could talk them around. I'd say it's far more likely that he'd go during the summer than between the start of the season and the winter transfer window. I just have a hunch he's not the sort of person to walk out on a job half done and you could argue taking us to the Premier is a job only half done.
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6 hours ago, AW saint said:
I think its fair to say he will not be here by pre-season.
It's not "fair" at all, to say that.
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I was absolutely sure Ross wouldn't join Barnsley, and I am on record as saying I don't think he'd move until at least one season in the Premiership with us, but Ipswich is a very different prospect to Barnsley. The chance to join a team that is in a position, and has the resources, to challenge for the English Premiership might be a bit too good to pass up.
The positive thing from our point of view is that as he'd just signed a new contract we'd be due a decent slice of cash in compensation should he move on. Not that I want him to, of course, but add in any money from a possible (pretty likely?) transfer of (J) McGinn, and we could be looking at next season with a stuffed bank balance but no manager.
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The European football level St. Mirren FC 2024/25 thread
in Scottish Premiership General Chatter
Posted · Edited by Buddist Monk
Sunderland is an interesting position now, as they've dropped into League 1. McInnes not taking over while they were plummeting made sense. Now that they had dropped, there will naturally be the pressure of getting them back up, but the size and resources of the club will make them the biggest club in the league. It's got "rebuild job" written all over it, and the person who'll reap the rewards is the person who takes over as they "flatten out", That time might be now.
Potential, we know Sunderland has it, timing.... that's the real art.