Falcor Roar

I think the South Yorkshire police are just as culpable as the system which allowed the stadium to exist in that state. Some people seem certain that the fans behaviour had to have played a part in the event. The onus would be on them to show that to have been the case though.

The standing area of Leppings Lane was granted a capacity of 7,200 and it was decided later a safe figure should have been 5,425. 2,900 fans also accessed the corner stand from the 7 turnstiles at the back. It was a death trap and the only reason this hadn't happened sooner was because of careful planning from the previous match commander who did not meet with David Duckenfield. People can speculate that the fans were to blame all they want. The street access to the stand was a constricted bottleneck and as has been mentioned, an accordion effect can occur in these situations which can account for the crushing outside the stand. Excess drinking or numerous ticketless fans as far as i'm aware has not been proven. It certainly is not the cause of what happened which some have suggested.

Tin foil hat brigade out in force in this thread.

It's a turn of phrase. Of course you are perfectly entitled to judge the emotional response of grieving families. I'm asking whether that judgement is appropriate or tasteful.

There would have been no need to 'bang on about justice' if they had gotten it in the first place. And as for criticising the reactions of the families as they left court, who are we to judge how people respond emotionally under these circumstances? I'll just be thankful i've never lost a family member in such a way.

So if we are to conclude that the crowd were to blame then how do we quantify that exactly? Under the exact same circumstances would fans of other clubs done something differently? Do we blame some fans involved? Most fans involved? Large crowds of people need to be managed. If they are not managed then there is the potential for tragedy. The notion that there is an ideal collective decorum of queuing in an orderly fashion is fine and dandy but thats not how things work in real life when the events are not managed safely.

Exactly this. How can the fans be blamed? If anyones been in a crowd surge then they will know there is not much you can do about the direction you move in. The event wasn't managed properly and that killed 96 people.

Hope they're going to boost the Wi-Fi signal with all those extra i-pads being brought to the game. The extra sound of sweetie papers rustling will make the hairs on the back of your neck stand on end no doubt.

The winner of Sundays game is presented the trophy in advance.

From 4th to 11th the teams are much of a muchness in this league. Agreed that discipline has cost us several points though. Always going to get inconsistency with a young squad but hopefully next season we will be more ruthless.

Walter Smith verge of tears http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36025815

No but apparently in Turkey and Poland players stand off the fullbacks and so Douglas is definitely shite.

Where did I meantion that you meantioned that I meantioned that you were seething? It's me that is seathing.

So the club are developing young players and selling them at a profit?!!?! I'm absolutely seething! Budge oot!

He's a modern footballer, he should be adaptable to different tactics, styles and formations.

We're actually going for a pessimistic tone in this thread i'm sorry you didn't get the memo. He's clearly shite and will end up playing for Pumpherston juniors next season etc...

He hated the Hibs. God rest his soul.

We would need to relocate the pillars which hold up the new stand/half roseburn & half Gorgie in order to have a compliant pitch length. The problem I gather is that the pillars are too close to the corner flags so we can have a pitch 2 metres too shot or two metres too narrow currently if you see what I mean.

I walked into Uni with Perry Kitchen today.

The plans appear to show a tunnel to the Tynecastle pitch. There is a dope testing room, club shop and other specialist rooms too so I think this means that the new stand on the opposite side will be dedicated to seating and corporate space.

Yeah it just looks like any other big new stadium there.

I wondered what that was. i've seen them put up at Heriot Watt so he's probably seen it. Why does the poodle need to apologise?

It was me I want Gary Locke back.

Looks like Perry Kitchen has a Lamborghini like Steven Fletcher. At least Kitchen has one for winning something. On a side note those trackside girls are bloomin lovely. Reckon this boy is gonna be blown away by the glamour of trips to Dingwall and Inverness.

El Hassnwhoi. amirite?