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11 hours ago, Brechin City FC said:
I think his comment about players not giving enough late on in such a big game was spot on. I also thought his changes to the team were working well in the first half - Seth and Strachan both did well. The manager needs to take some of the blame for the performance as well, however. After all, it is his job to motivate the team.
That second half was a tactical disaster of which Price took no responsibility.
One thing about Kirk when things didn't go to plan was his ability to include himself in the criticisms and explanations of what he was trying to achieve. That to me is man management as players could see that he was as much part of the squad as they were.
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22 hours ago, Jimmy Shaker said:
I cannot believe you’re going to f**k this up.
There is a general belief in fitba that the hardest part of the season for most championship contenders is securing those crucial final points to make it mathematically impossible to be overtaken.
You will see many teams just manage to stumble over the line or indeed blow it in the last few games .
This is going to be one of those seasons . Loads of points to be won and dropped before April is out.
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9 hours ago, Edzellcityfan said:
As I’ve said before, I’m not usually one for advocating getting rid of managers but I'm really struggling here.
He needs to pick a shape we play in possession, pick a shape we play out of possession and stick with a core of a team.Last night was brutally awful. A game played in an Arboath-like wind tunnel. Our lot couldn't work out how to play with the wind and crapped themselves playing against it. Forres could and should have won it as they pummelled us in the last half hour .
We scored a decent goal in the 5 minute period that we managed to control the ball. After that it looked as if we were just going to settle for the 1-0 win with no real attacking ambition. Forres then just pumped loads of balls high in the air and let the wind create the panic in our defence when it landed . Almost every time the ball was won by a Forres player who managed to lay off easily to one of their wide guys who seemed to have the freedom of the park. It wasn't pretty but it was certainly effective.
In these conditions you sometimes have to just forget your formation football and find a way to grind out a result. We couldn't , Forres did.
We certainly need a big reaction on Saturday and maybe Price needs to swallow some pride and start playing his strongest team more regularly. We certainly don't have the quality that he thinks to be able to rotate the squad seamlessly . Get back to the basics now and learn how to win ugly .
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7 hours ago, virginton said:
It wasn't a generalisation. It was in fact very specific about the circumstances and requests made to the referee, which were fairly dinghied because their entire day does not in fact revolve around your braying club blazers' convenience.
Unless you are suggesting that the two clubs simply fabricated some claims to support this 'generalisation' purpose, in which case we can still file your weeks of mewling in the bin.
A very SPFL type response from someone who is making up his own narrative to suit his own ego.
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5 hours ago, virginton said:
Except that none of the first three claims tally with anything in your own club's statement. Make your mind up about what exactly you're still throwing your toys out of the pram about.
We were sitting in the pub at Keith when , around 2.15pm - 2.30pm , the announcement was relayed to us .
The club statement was obviously and most probably a diplomatic generalisation of the events. The main thing they wanted to stress was that an official complaint was being lodged. I am sure a full and accurate report would have been sent.
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37 minutes ago, citydiehard said:
Price has fucked this team.
Yes we won 5-1 yesterday but it wasn’t convincing,we don’t look or play as a team ,playing as individuals instead,players look lost at the way Price wants them to play and just please themselves now with Price on the touchline not a happy man.
The player I feel sorry for is Grady to go from top goalscorer and highland league player of last season,to a long lost figure yesterday,he looked lost up front,he needs his confidence back but won’t get that with Price in charge..Just as well the chasing teams are making it easy for us.
I take it you left after 15 minutes.
That was as convincing as we have been in a while once we got going. Could and should have been about 8 or 9 in the end.
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2 hours ago, Jimmy Shaker said:
There you go. A favour from Lossie. The league is all but giftwrapped. Sort your shit out and finish the job, will you.
Custard creams all round tonight.
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53 minutes ago, virginton said:
Nice try, but your loveably crafted dialogue betrays the reality that an area of the pitch was indeed waterlogged - hence the need to 'treat' it as confirmed by the joint club statement. And if both clubs were so confident that the 'soggy' area of the pitch was playable, then requesting a fully 90 minute delay to anyone with better things to do with the remainder of their weekend than placating a bunch of braying club blazers was an utterly moronic strategy.
The more generous interpretation is that both clubs knew fine well that the pitch was not in fact playable at 3pm, hence 1) the need for treatment 2) the extensive delay requested and 3) the otherwise non-sequitur reference to the weather forecast (which if the pitch was already playable, would be irrelevant).
Very straightforward stuff tbh.
Here's another scenario .
1. The ref only bothered to turn up at 2.pm.
2. The ref then called the game off at 2.15pm.
3. The ref was nowhere to be seen at 3.00pm
4. The ref just wasn't interested and should be handed his arse on a plate.
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14 hours ago, virginton said:
So why did both sets of players management and club officials request fully ninety minutes to apply treatment to areas of an already playable park?
The point that you're claiming has also been missed out from the tear-drenched, joint club statement, which confirms to any rational observer that it is in fact total bollocks.
Your posts are starting to descend to the bigoted drivel you used to spout when we were in the SPFL..
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3 hours ago, forfarton said:
The 'waterlogged' pitch at Keith
I've seen games played on far , far worse pitches than that .
I wonder if that ref has been sacked yet ?
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44 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said:
No he has chosen to give up a portion of his day for a set fee. Not an indeterminate amount of time until the home club gets its act together.
I did a guest lecture last week at a university on a subject I'm passionate about and genuinely enjoyed giving. If I had turned up and was told to wait an hour and a half I'd have walked.
Even if he wanted to stay there are a 100 good reasons somebody can't hang about longer.
Again , I would hope that most refs have a bit more compassion than merely doing it for the money.
There are also good reasons (maybe not 100
) why a ref might need to "hang about " longer than he might have expected . Football can create some unexpected delays .
As a side note . Would anyone actually know if the pitch would have been "officially" playable at 3.00 pm ? Did the ref "hang about " long enough to make that official judgement after calling it off at 2.15 pm ? Going by reports I would say that the overwhelming verdict was that it would probably have been . The delayed kick off would obviously have been to allow for some kind of warm up beforehand.
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29 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said:
If the ref at Wick had nothing else to do on Saturday it was good of him to hold on. It's not a precedent.
It's the height of arrogance and entitlement to expect someone giving up their Saturday for 75 quid to hang about until a pitch becomes playable.
The responsibility to ensure the game goes ahead lies entirely with the home side by way of them providing a pitch which meets the referees satisfaction at the stated kick off time.
I would have thought that any referee at semi professional level has indeed chosen to give up his Saturday along with the players , management staff and directors .
You make it sound as if they are grudgingly undertaking a chore and would rather be elsewhere. ( which looks like that might have been the case at Keith )
I would hope that the bulk of refs are actually a bit more compassionate in their efforts to actually get games on instead of trying to find a reason to call them off.
Is it not £75 plus expenses by the way ?
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55 minutes ago, Edzellcityfan said:
I wouldn't bother, he is quite obviously on the wind up and we are all biting. I'm sure he's having a rare old time...
We have had previous discussions over the years on various topics.
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7 hours ago, virginton said:
They agreed to a 90 minute delay solely to 'keep the ref happy'? Utter, utter horseshit.
Meanwhile, back in the land of reality, the pitch evidently wasn't playable at 3pm, hence the mewling about the delay being rejected (quite rightly so) and the weather forecast (utterly irrelevant).
Either was the Wick pitch evidently . That's why they delayed kick off till 4.00pm. That's all we were asking .
Rules for some and not others just shouldn't happen but unfortunately it does .
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3 hours ago, virginton said:
I think you'll find that the joint statement from both clubs supports the referee's view that the pitch was unplayable at 3pm on Saturday. The bone of contention rests with the referee not agreeing to delay the game for their proposed 'solution' to take effect.
Which it's not actually incumbent on the referee or indeed any other third party involved in holding the event to do so, just because it suits you.
Had the ref at Wick on Saturday not set a precedent of common sense then we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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6 hours ago, virginton said:
No you're not. As the section of the post above quite clearly confirms, you're actually looking for an arbitrary adjustment of postponement decisions based on the existing number of games to catch up on. That's literally the opposite of 'consistency' in applying standards.
I probably could have worded it better but with decisions made elsewhere on Saturday as stated , it seems the consistency in determining playability varies considerably between referees . That is the frustrating factor here and the one which I feel should be addressed.
Given the refereeing reaction to the events in premier games at the weekend , nothing will be resolved other than the unity and wagon circling from the refereeing community as per usual.
7 hours ago, virginton said:Why should the referee let a game go ahead on a surface that all parties agree is not suitable for playing on?
You seem to be swapping out 'sense' for 'narrow convenience' and use it to describe multiple, completely different things on a weekly basis.
All parties ?
I think you will find that the only one not willing to find a solution to getting the game played was the referee.
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I would have thought that with the current situation of backlogged games to be played before the play off deadline , every effort would have been made to get this game on.
All we are looking for is a bit of consistency.
The Huntly game went ahead on a worse surface than Kynoch Park. The Wick game went ahead after a delayed kick off to work on a small area of concern.
It appears that some refs are prepared to listen to reasonable suggestions and some are just not for whatever reason.
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1 hour ago, welshbairn said:
Good statement
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Shambles at Keith yesterday. Looks like the ref couldn't be arsed.
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14 hours ago, Hedgecutter said:
Gordon Morrison the ref too.
You can imagine the Buckie fans' tears and snotters over that one.
Where did this game eventually get played ?
Are Buckie slowly becoming the new Fort William? .............. The "We'll do what we want until the league gets fed up of us" attitude .
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3 hours ago, Rossco8326 said:
Seems it has been deleted from Facebook now
Seemingly it was the P&J who complained it was up before their Monday programme.
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4 hours ago, Strathman said:
Buckie's first goal was pretty "expansive".
I was generalising
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I agree with a lot of what has been said but don't think things are as bad as some are making out. Yesterday's game was a very close affair and in reality could have swung either way . It was a case of 2 good teams with completely different game plans . Buckie are very good at closing down the opponents and taking advantage of mistakes while we try to play expansive attacking football (maybe too much at times ) which leaves us open quite a lot of the time .
When we equalised yesterday I actually thought the winner wasn't too far away as we were winning numerous corners and free kicks around the box . My one big gripe at that time was when Grady came on Price took off Fraser when Ewan Loudon looked knackered . Fraser is always a good option in the middle of the park to hold the ball up and give the defence some options . He also has a very good partnership with Grady which might have paid off in those nervy last 10 minutes or so.
I enjoyed the game though. It was very entertaining and had a bit of everything. Buckie certainly won the physical battle especially in the second half as the card count will show . They also looked a lot fitter than us which is very worrying.
We lost this battle but hopefully lessons can be learned going into the final stretch. There are a lot of games to be played and I'm sure points will be dropped along the way.
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12 hours ago, charlie king mvp said:
I hate to be pedantic, but as a gambler stuff like this pisses me off. We are the favourites.
Nothing pedantic about it.
Facts don't really come into that strange world of his.
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The Brechin City Thread
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Their number 8 got the freedom of the midfield and ran the show as we sat deeper and deeper . Why he wasn't singled out and shut down still baffles me.
It was fairly obvious that everyone had been told to just sit in and contain them for as long as we could and defend the lead.
We only had a real go at them in the last 5 mins ( the added on time ) which by then was far too late .