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54 minutes ago, Burnieman said:
Most Premiership clubs operate with around 25 first team players give or take, or what they class as first team. Assuming everyone is fit, that's upto 9 players not getting game time any any given matchday. Now of course some of them may be U18 players so can drop into CAS games, but even looking at Livvy in a recent programme of theirs, they list 27 and there's only three names I didn't recognise (U18?). Motherwell list 26 first team players on their website.
We have B teams in Lowland League, B teams that just play friendlies, Reserve teams that play a truncated season, clubs with no B or Reserve team at all.
Sounds like different clubs want different things out of Reserve/B/U18 football and hence why there are different "solutions" and it's a free for all mess. I'm not sure there's an overall solution that all clubs will get on-board with.
Lets take motherwell, and base on their last game, oxbourgh, not involved could do with some reserve minutes shaw, used recently as late sub maybe could have some minutes. mugabi, reasonable recent minutes. ferrie, u18 eligible. devine- injured Montgomery- injured elliot- seems out of favour maguire- out on loan. slattery- injured. obika- injured. vale- suspended. The rest played.
So there's maybe 3 players who would benefit from a reserve game, two being involved alot in first team squads so your not going to play them in reserve football if first team games are closer than 4-5 days apart, and the other who looks like he'll be out the door in a few weeks.
Its ridiculous to presume everyone fit, you expect to be 4-5+ short most weeks.
Clubs do want different things, not just season to season but also week to week. That's why we get wild score lines when suddenly you have 6 experienced pros and older teens come up against a team with a 17 year old captain where his 3 first team games 4 tiers down is considered experienced, you've just got to accept that, we're never going to get a perfect solution, but any solution that involves B teams playing in otherwise first team leagues is unacceptable no matter the package.
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Bayern have been utterly rattled since the equaliser I’m not surprised they are behind
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7 hours ago, Burnieman said:
Reserve football is currently a farce and there's not enough clubs who will put the money in to make it what is used to be, and it's less than half the number of games the LL B teams pl. The current league plays each other only once, why not home and away to increase matches.
B team league football is only open to 2 clubs, and has age restrictions which make it development football as opposed to reserve football. Rangers play friendlies but I think only managed 8 since January which on the face of it, is hopeless.
I'd personally like to see a proper reserve league back in place, taking your best players from U16/U18 and mixing them with your fringe first team and those coming back from injury, have a limit to how many senior players can be in the match squad. Sounds very old skool but it did appear to work and many an International came through that system. Play it Monday nights, promote it, free to season ticket holders etc etc, not this midweek afternoon nonsense.
But it needs clubs to support it and there just isn't enough interest. There should be, first team squads at many clubs are bloated, so there's always 6 or 7 players not getting off the bench or not in the squad, not getting game time. B teams in their current form dont help that either.
A few points here. The clubs don’t want to commit to a lot of games, this is mostly IMO because they don’t want to interfere much with first team fixtures, the first 2 months of the season are pretty much written off due to league cup and clubs not having completed their squads yet, you have the busy spell before Xmas where premiership clubs play quite a few midweek games to allow for a winter break which is also a time they don’t want to play reserve football and then coming into the business end of the season squads begin to get stretched
2. We’ve moved things around quite a lot with when to play including enforcing evening games which are available to fans(I think games are still required to have public access tho your not getting many midweek afternoon) it seems to always drift back to playing games midweek afternoons, I guess cos it’s easier for working around training.
3. I completely disagree with there being 6-7 first team players not getting game time, it’s simply not true for huge chunks of the reserve league playing teams, one of the reasons the old fashioned style league died off is have 25+ senior players is completely unaffordable
Just as an example, I think every player from both sides in our last game vs airdie was u18 eligible apart from max little our reserve keeper. In the cup final vs livi little was our only over 18, livi had a couple but apart from tommy sharp they were guys getting game time out on loan instead.
5 hours ago, Dev said:That's interesting. Any info on the other parts which affect SFA Development funding?
Honestly I can’t remember where i read it, it was an official SFA document I think. Other aspects are coaches qualifications training facilities and possibly performance schools link up, but don’t quote me on that.
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We're 3 days bereavement too,
Load of bollocks, takes more than that over practicalities never mind emotions.
Decent bosses will look after you here, if they don't punch their puss.
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4 hours ago, Footballfirst said:
IMO, clubs unnecessarily keep too many players on beyond 18, with most of them only playing "development" or B Team football. If you are not making the first team squad at 18, then you are unlikely to make it at that level. It means that there are too many "jersey fillers" being kept on with minimal prospect of a full time career at their club. They would be much better being let go at 18, allowing them to find another club at a lower level, or a job, further education and perhaps find a part time club lower in the pyramid if they want to keep playing. (Ideally, I would make the first cull at 16)
Hearts have just released 3 x 18 year olds and 3 x B Team players, none of whom ever had a realistic chance of making it at Hearts. Similarly, there are others who have been kept on for next season's B Team, but also have little chance of making it.
Youth football as a whole is based on signing 100 and hope 1 is good enough. That multiplies out the further down the ages you go but by the time players become first team eligible it is time to have honest conversations, but they won't cos by that point you've identified the 1/2 that actually have a chance and you want them to have team mates of reasonable quality so you keep telling the 16 year old who may play between league 2 and EoS 2nd division that they have a chance to play premiership even tho you know that's unlikely.
Another motivator for that is clubs are too scared to make release a player and realise they fucked up, so the keep to many than take that risk.
Part of the SFA development funding clubs get is based on how players making first team or national squads, The flip side should also be considered about how many players are kept on too long.
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2 hours ago, Alberto Spencer said:
Here's the Final Reserve League Table. Congrats to QP. Only 8 games seems a tad short for a season.
POS. P W D L GF GA W D L GF GA GD PTS 1 Queen's Park Reserves 8 3 1 0 7 1 3 0 1 12 6 12 19 2 Dundee Reserves 8 2 1 1 5 3 2 2 0 6 1 7 15 3 Hibernian Reserves 8 2 1 1 9 5 2 1 1 9 6 7 14 4 Kilmarnock Reserves 8 2 0 2 18 8 2 1 1 9 8 11 13 5 Ayr United Reserves 8 1 1 2 7 12 3 0 1 7 4 -2 13 6 Dunfermline Athletic Reserves 8 1 1 2 7 10 2 0 2 7 4 0 10 7 Queen of the South Reserves 8 1 0 3 7 9 2 1 1 9 9 -2 10 8 Livingston Reserves 8 1 0 3 8 9 0 2 2 5 13 -9 5 9 Airdrieonians Reserves 8 0 2 2 3 10 0 0 4 3 20 -24 c2 Complemented with reserve league cup which provides another 3-6 games. 1-2 games a month isn't too bad given a lot of players will are also playing u18s or first team(potentially on loan at another club)
Guess you'd want a more intense schedule if you have a large amount of 18+ players at your club, but there's always the opportunity to add a bounce game in, but you don't want too many games scheduled as clubs don't want to be playing them during busy first team periods.
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1 minute ago, Bestsinceslicebread said:
Broomhill realized 20 players today.
Is there anything in this?
Hopefully the plug being pulled and we can get rid of them
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1 minute ago, GiGi said:
I think that was a decent final. Been better snooker played but it was entertaining.
Would agree, it’s better than just waiting on who gets the first chance and them knocking 100 just for the next frame to go the opposite, I enjoyed the high chance that every shot could go horribly wrong.
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Wilson has tried to bottle this but had too much a lead he’s been able to strumble across the line.
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5 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:
For all the talk that Man U need to sack Ten Hag, surely he must be thinking he needs to get himself out of this ASAP before he ends up unemployable.
Nah, being financially rewarded when it all inevitably goes tits up has been part of the sell for every manager post Ferguson to take the job, he’s not going to run away from that, and he’ll be protected for future jobs cos it’s just expected you’ll not succeed at Man U and it’s not a full reflection on your ability
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5 minutes ago, Burnieman said:
There's no concussion subs in the EoS.
Thanks, they really need to be implemented tho, I know its still technically a trial but its so vital and needs to be embraced by every competition possible. I think just about every single other competition in the country has embraced them, possibly not LL tho.
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They're saying one of there players collapsed. Could that have been considered a concussion sub? Saying that as that's exactly why our 6th sub was allowed on Friday night.
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5 minutes ago, BANKIEBILL said:
How many times has East not been represented in play off or just been auto-promoted ?
3 times not represented, 3 times their champion has gone up without needing to win a play-off.
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29 minutes ago, BANKIEBILL said:
Stop dancing on the head of a pin. The people who made up the rules I'm sure didn't envisage 2 seasons in a row where no club from West could enter a play off.
They quite clearly did envision a scenario where one or more leagues may not be able to put forward a licenced champion gives that there has been many years where the play-off wasn’t contested between EoS and SoS and that when the play-off came in there were very few licensed tier 6 clubs
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2 hours ago, RandomGuy. said:
I look forward to our play off defeat to one of you.
Yeah, don't do that please, I really don't want your new American cash being launched at the league.
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23 hours ago, BANKIEBILL said:
What we're actually talking about is all 3 leagues having a candidate in the Playoff as is designed to happen.
Nobody in authority has ever stated that, I don't know why folk keep trying to insist it is.
Once again, The play-off is to decide what tier 6, LL area licenced champion club can be promoted, nothing else.
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Just now, Ginaro said:
want Stranraer to go down because I always want club 42 to be relegated (as they should be automatically).
That's my natural position, but EK and the chicken man are a very plastic club and as an SPFL fan I don't see what they add.
It's possible to have a general view on the pyramid whilst also wanting some clubs to perform and others not too.
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1 hour ago, Mr. Brightside said:
It's never a penalty, he's already in the process of falling over before the "contact" is made. It's disgusting that this is now normalised and even praised as being "clever".
But it is the norm and we should have a reasonably consistent judgement of incidents. Do I like penalties being given for this sort of thing? no, we need far fewer penalty's given as a whole, but that's a question for the law makers, not individual refs, and players naturally will and should push the laws to the absolute limit for the benefit of their teams.
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1 hour ago, BucksburnDandy said:
Is it just me or is Labour picking up only 38.8% of Tory losses at present actually not an impressive performance from the other main party in English politics?
Aye, I think its much more an anti-tory vote than a pro labour one.
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1 minute ago, Mr. Brightside said:
Nice dive.
It's smart enough to win the pen, Had havertz moved the direction of his leg then defiantly no pen, but just dragging it to make sure of contact I think its given, even if on field decision was originally no penalty.
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Absolutely horrible watching that, I’d like to talk about the game but mehmet’s health is more important, hope for good news over the next few days
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4 hours ago, KirkyRobRoy said:
The intention for playoffs was for each league to be represented,
Well that’s not anywhere near the certain fact you’re trying to make it.
The intention of the play-off is to decide the promoted club from tier 6 in the event more than 1 tier 6 league has a licensed champion
Does the WoS rules have anything on licensing? I know the EoS have a requirement that clubs work towards licensing, no timeline required and it would unlikely ever be enforced but it’s something that can always be pulled up if you get a club who just want to win their league every year and not progress
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26 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said:
Is the country in a worse state than the 60's/70's? Living standards looked pretty shit back then, I doubt mental health was even discussed, were public services and future prospects all that better?
We had a sword attack down here last week where the victim thankfully never died. Is it possible there are just a higher percentage of fuckwits in our society nowadays?
Media coverage is massively different and it’s hard to try compare different eras as a result. Does the London attack gain any significant traction if it’s not filmed for social media? I suspect it would have just gone down with a police statement and a local journalist covering it mostly by quoting said statement 50 years ago.
Stats all back up that’s society as a whole is safer now than days gone by
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Sits back and waits for Gary to get fined again for blocking the road so we can get the proper heads gone
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What's the most "Tin Pot" thing you've seen in the SPFL
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Food at big games is a rip off, and it’s usually worse quality.
The business model does change up the tiers tho, almost nobody does their own catering, for the clubs it’s purely on who will offer them the most money to do it instead and those willing to pay the highest money do so in the plan to take as much as they can from fans.
Kids as casual labour on minimum wage = poor organisation