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Scott Brown scoring against Clyde from outside the box? I've never seen this film before. Embarrassing.

Just a shame that Cove are ahead, think it'll be beyond us to overhaul that gap now. A point being lost in the Dumbarton/East Fife game is better news than a home win for sure, but I'd much rather East Fife won.

How did Gregg Wylde look today? Could he be the left-back to completely turn around your form and #SaveTheSons?

Criticism of Jones is folly in the main, since it's not like we expected anything different from him. We also don't have any viable alternatives to take his place. Any criticism should be directed right to Lennon for signing him and numerous other players who no other team in this league would have thought about bringing in.

The problem within that is that if he is agitating for a move, no club is going to offer us much considering his age, the wage they'll have to pay him and the enormous baggage which accompanies him. That we'd be so doomed without him just further highlights the miserable failures in recruitment and vision we've endured in recent years. You look at Montrose, which for about five years has kept the vast majority of its core squad consistent, been a strong loaning club and one which regularly develops promising youngsters from lower levels. It's embarrassing that our player turnover is so high, that our loanees are seldom difference-makers and that there seems to be absolutely no strategy for evolution on the footballing side. It looked like the start of something pretty special when we were bringing in the Grants and McStays but it's descended into a hand-to-mouth scramble for just about any player that's available every window. We are already doomed if this keeps up, because Goodwillie is declining and won't be an excellent striker forever. It'd just kick the can down the road if we trudged on as a dreadful team with a star up front.

Jesus Christ. I don't think any of us had much hope of January going much better, but Lennon's starting to go full 2012 Jim Duffy.

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Oh dear. Maybe he's turned a corner since, but Gregg Wylde was absolutely hopeless when he was at Clyde a few seasons ago. Despite having just dropped out of the full-time game, he never achieved any proper level of fitness and was largely a passenger with very little evidence of the decent level at which he played not too long ago.

I'm not sure exactly who you're including in "weird rape apology guys", but are you not the chap who said our signing of Goodwillie *almost* made you stop attending Clyde games, but us signing a Conservative-voting player would have made you stop for sure? Apologies if this is mistaken identity and not the case.

Who's tried to defend Goodwillie here? The closest thing to a defence of him (by a Clyde fan) that's been launched is the statement of simple facts; that he was never criminally convicted and was only found guilty of the crime on the balance of probability. Haufdaft has also raised the pertinent point that there are a hell of a lot of unknown rapists in football and wider society who will never be brought to any small kind of justice and are thereby greater re-offending risks. That could include a best mate of you or I, or a revered player at either of our clubs. Unfortunately, rape remains a massive problem in society and even more unfortunately it is nigh on impossible to prove beyond reasonable doubt in most instances. You (and others) have come on to this thread and made a lot of repetitive and tiresome noise, but fundamentally all this debate boils down to is a difference of opinions regarding how offenders should be able to continue with their lives. You think they should be made invisible, others can see the safeguarding merit in them having an ongoing public profile and working in an environment where the risk of on-the-job re-offence is as close as possible to zero. There is absolutely nobody here mounting any kind of a defence of the individual involved or trying to downplay the severity of the crime he likely committed; I'm sure we all agree in the strongest terms that rape is an utterly deplorable and sickening crime, despite our divergent opinions about the nature of life thereafter for perpetrators. Plenty of folk seem to come on to this thread when Goodwillie's name is in the papers under the assumption that Clyde fans are rape apologists, which just plainly isn't true.

It's not really though, is it, and surely even someone as dense as yourself must be able to cede that? You've also conveniently ignored every single adjoining point to that particular argument, such is your inability to keep up. While I'm sure "hang the b*****d" or "they should be entitled to no happiness whatsoever" for anyone *likely* to have committed whatever crimes you deem to have "crossed the line" probably sounds like a great idea in your own head, society has thankfully moved beyond that in recent centuries. Maybe you'll get there soon!

My word. I'm talking about while at work, you complete and utter dullard. Who out of a visiting electrician, for example, and a professional footballer is the greater threat to an individual? If you can't think of the answer then please don't hesitate to ask for a clue.

Make sure to put your crash helmet on next time you leave the house m9

There is, clearly, a huge difference in risk between jobs which require close contact with individuals and ones which are observed by dozens of peers, and at times hundreds of spectators. I assume you're being deliberately obtuse here. The key in what you're saying is a guy who *did* that. It should, of course, never be forgotten, but nobody among us knows just how different a person Goodwillie is now versus the one who *probably* committee a rape that night. I'd wager pretty different, given the extensive damage it has done to him and the fact he now has a daughter of his own. Folk are also jumping to conclusions about the "hero" tag. I wouldn't use it for him personally given the ambiguity which can arise from its use in isolation, but in purely footballing terms he is an absolute hero to Clyde FC. Just because someone regards a figure as a hero whenever they exist within a 110x60m rectangle does not necessarily mean they grant the same status, or any similar one, to them outside of it.

Right, so you don't think him being a footballer inherently lessens the probability of him raping someone while he's playing or training? I'm not sure what logistics you're coming up with but it's about the safest profession I can think of in that regard. You're showing your ideological colours there with that second paragraph. I'm sure in D'Jaffo's punitive utopia things would be much better if some criminals (something Goodwillie technically isn't) were arbitrarily enforced to lead miserable existences after serving their sentences, shovelling gravel and eating gruel. No solution is perfect and rape is, of course, an abhorrent crime. I think it's far better and safer for a likely former rapist to live a public life with the scrutiny and recognition that comes with it than a private one, however.

What is the worst severity of criminal there is a place for in football then? Scottish football, along with football in general and wider society, is absolutely laden with criminals who have to re-integrate into society somehow after their crimes. The view of many seems to be that punishment goes above and beyond the prevention of re-offending, the latter representing the primary focus of any non-archaic justice system. Can you think of many jobs which are safer in terms of preventing rape (re-)offence than playing football?

A man who, on the balance of probability, raped someone. Please do enlighten us all about which specific crime constitutes the line beyond which any kind of partaking in society or rehabilitation is impossible.

Very refreshing to have a righteous bunch wading in to the *checks notes* Clyde (Football Club) thread to state their belief that rape is a bad thing. Certainly haven't had enough of that; a fascinating debate and one we really need more of!

Probably a good policy going forward to make sure you've read a post properly before questioning its contents.

2017 was three years before he signed that new contract in early 2020.

I doubt he'd have signed a 3.5 year contract with us, having been the subject of serious interest from full-time clubs in the preceding year, if the terms of the deal didn't make him our top earner by some distance. I don't purport to have any first-hand or inside information, but there is a pretty unanimous consensus among folk who are close to Goodwillie/the club which suggests he isn't on a typical part-time footballer's wage.

If Goodwillie isn't working elsewhere, then that just further proves that he's on a very healthy wage relative to the rest of our squad. With that said, 'JBJ' has previous for needlessly challenging people on topics he supposedly has ITK info surrounding, even back when he didn't type in broken Scottish slang.

And it took a once in a century pandemic to bring about such an occurrence, unlike for Queen's who have struggled to reach that tally across the last hundred years.

Has Haughey forked out on some extra-rustly sweetie papers yet, so you lot can finally make some noise at a game?