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BSC were the original people to attempt it for their reserves, they've since moved on. The Lowland League are looking into Lowland League 2. The EoSFL seem to be the ones that have proposed a West league but nobody has taken them up on it and everyone else is more focused on getting the West Region in. Since there's no formal proposal it has as much validity as all the other half baked ideas that don't go anywhere. As for the Tayside league there seems to be the idea that such a thing would feed into the Lowland League which is why no Tayside clubs have been included in the Highland League Pyramid discussion. It seems to be the compromise solution by the EoSFL to get the East Region clubs in the pyramid, the concession being it would feed the LL. And the sticking point is the SJFA don't want to split the East Region by telling half the clubs to join the EoSFL. 2019-20 there's a Lowland League play-off involving the EoS Premier champion, SoSFL champion, West Premiership champion and East Superleague champion. If licensed of course. All sitting at Tier 6 of the Scottish Football Pyramid with divisions below seeing promotion and relegation between them. 173 clubs in the Lowland League area alone. 10x as many in the Lowland area as in the Highland area. All of them putting pressure on the North Region, NCL and HFL to get something sorted. 157 of them saying one promotion place isn't enough to the Lowland League. Could have happened. That's not fantasy.

They finally got the concession from the SFA that they would run discliplinary for all Tier 6 leagues. Theoretically if that's 16-16-14 or 16 the SJFA is no longer taking fines from 46-48 clubs on top of having lost the previous 20+ to the EoSFL. With the Junior Cup forced to fit around league seasons that's two hefty hits to the SJFA pocket book. You'd also have the likes of Auchinleck, Cumnock, Petershill and Clydebank becoming SFA members, so the SJFA starts to seem more pointless as an entity as time goes on.

I didn't realise the immense power of the PnB posters in organising semi professional leagues. Next stop Highland League 2, or Lowland League 2, or the Tayside League, or wasn't there a North/Central and South leagues, or the North/West/East Leagues at Tier 5. Or are we waiting on the Scottish Premiership and Championship becoming 16 team leagues with everything else being regionalised? I'm I missing something like Apetura/Clausura set ups? Ah, so the first step in the entirely based in reality and in no way plucked out of thin air league is for clubs to apply to it. Hmmm? is this still PnB organising it? Because BSC gave up on their WoSFL for their reserves league plan since they're in the SPFL Reserve League 2 and the LL u20s has been beefed up. The Lowland League moved into LL2 territory since it strengthens their position. The SFA is trying to mediate the SJFA entry. The SJFA are trying to negotiate their entry. The EoSFL had their offer to assist West clubs summer 2018 and presumably summer 2019 and no one took it up. So that kind of only leaves the clubs themselves. Are they applying to be in their own league? Except that still leaves the East Region trying to negotiate their entry into the pyramid. And some of the parties involved in this seem okay with the concept of the HL/LL boundary being moved. Yeah for the 38 members of the SJFA East Region to negotiate their entry into the Lowland League catchment area. They do still have that option because you never bothered to deal with that issue. Also known as "I got what I wanted so I don't care about an all inclusive pyramid set up for semi-professional clubs playing in predominantly enclosed grounds." Are we sure it's not a fantasy assumption? I have. Still don't see a place for the SJFA in the pyramid. Still think the HL/LL boundary is perfectly acceptable and should be enforced. Still think a Lowland League 2 or Lowland League 2 West/East will solve most of these problems pretty quickly. As for my involvement in the game, that seems like a weird question to be asking after all these years and previous agreements and disagreements. I live up to my name that's why I picked it, i'm just a football fan. Shook the Old Firm duopoly by primary school's end. Moved around so no fixed team and usually pop around to whoever's local. Miss the days of the Dumbarton/Clydebank Boghead groundshare so I would be guaranteed a home game basically every week of the season.

That's exactly what you've done with your WoS league conjured out of thin air followed by another series of if, buts and maybes.

Pyramid was started in 2013. Not last year or next year. The time to get it right was in its inception. We're years down the road now and saying "let's get it right to begin with" is bull. Junior all in approach had its flaws. However, another 100+ clubs would be in the pyramid by now and potentially saw the NCL is as well. The Junior Cup would have been streamlined to fit the senior calendar and the need for at least two weeks at the end of the season for the LL playoff. By the end of the PWG meetings you had the SFA confirming it would oversee all tier 6 leagues. You also had Cumnock, Petershill and probably Clydebank at the very least applying for SFA membership. Those 3 things knock the standing and relevance of the SJFA and brings all the clubs closer together without the grade divide. A merged East of Scotland league set up seems more likely at that point. Same for the West and North of Scotland. Now boundaries, LL2, Tayside are still sat waiting to be resolved. Your way and the all in way both take years to get right and none do it right from the start.

Right to begin with was 2013 but let's not let facts get in the way.

And yet it has been a point open to discussion and can't be continually fobbed off as a misunderstanding of Iain Maxwell's. September PWG, Maxwell's first, everyone discussed the issue of juniors entering all in with the EoS suggesting West & Tayside as the don't want a competitor East league. October Professional Game Board presented with the Junior all in model as done deal. November first and last Highland PWG meeting with no Tayside representation. April(?) Maxwell sends out his Lowland pyramid playoff proposal with the East Region included intact.

Right now the only league structure in Scotland being asked to change is the Junior East Region. The only boundary that exists is the HL/LL. Everyone else gets to pick and choose, making up the rules to suit them.

Nobody knows what any imagined WoSFL would look like and nobody is organising one right now. The only proposals even attempted are Juniors all in and the West Region in now on its own. So the idea that these SoSFL anomalies are just going to disappear into a new league is as hypothetical as saying the SoSFL will step down a tier. In terms of travel Bonnyton pretty much have to go past 6 Junior sides before they play their nearest SoSFL club Nithsdale. The last of the 6 being Kello. For Tayside having the SoS and West Region exist with overlapping clubs opens up the argument over how significant the HL/LL boundary really should be and the issue over the two East leagues. Why should they be the only region impacted by a boundary, especially as the concentration of clubs makes it look more sensiible for them to be playing in the East.

You've got teams out of Ayr and Lanarkshire in the SoSFL and Kello Rovers in the West Region. If the West Region gets in as it is there has to be a look at the boundaries between the SoSFL and West Region. Otherwise a new team could just apply for the SoSFL and get a step ahead on the pyramid. Not having boundaries and just having Bonnyton, Caledonian and Kello grandfathered in keeps up the arugment that some Tayside clubs should be allowed in the East.

Nobody is suggesting it will automatically happen. In fact the two ideas on the board juniors all in a tier 6 and the West region/WOSFL on its own all respect the SOSFL at tier 6. However, to think the pyramid in 2020 will be the same in 2030 is foolish.

You've already had two clubs try to start the licensing process. There are those that are obviously taking it seriously. If there's no movement and they stay locked out of access to licensing, unlike LL and East clubs, it might be enough to breakaway.

I think they would have been happy to let it go. It was only the ref saying something on twitter that raised the issue a week after it had happened.

After being underplayed a little yesterday, there's an official statement by RevPro since the footage has come to light. Bodom has been booted and Sha is on a zero tolerance policy. The company tag titles are now obviously vacant.

Not sure many would have picked out Dunbar and Abbey Vale, even with Abbey Vale topping the SoSFL just now.

The RevPro ref incident after Sha slams the ref in the ring, Bodom then drags the ref outside and this takes place

Next league games is also at home to Vale of Leithen. If they can win that they'd be 9 points clear of bottom with VoL still stuck on 0 points.

I think Sha was covering for the early finish by slamming the ref to padding while out of the ring. It was a wrestling move so I'm sure it was as protected as possible. But with the ref not expecting it, and you know gravity, it obviously shook up the ref. Bodom on the other hand is meant to have then legit beat the ref.

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2015-16 PR1 Harestanes 0-3 Girvan 2016-17 PR1 Edusport Academy 2-2 Colville Park 2016-17 replay Colville Park 1-0 Edusport Academy 2016-17 PR2 Colville Park 0-1 Girvan 2017-18 PR1 Burntisland Shipyard 0-7 Colville Park 2017-18 PR2 Colville Park 5-0 Preston Athletic 2017-18 1st R Colville Park 2-1 Cumbarnauld Colts 2017-18 2nd R Peterhead 9-0 Colville Park 2018-19 PR1 Tynecastle 0-2 Shortlees 2018-19 PR2 Bonnyrigg Rose 3-0 Shortlees 2019-20 PR1 Colville Park 0-4 Whitehill Welfare 5 years, 11 games, 5 wins, 1 draw and 5 losses Maybe if the Amateurs were being bombed out in one game every year I could see an argument for excluding them. However, they've proven themselves to be quite competitive in the competition. You've had the likes of Burntisland, East Kilbride, Cumbernauld Colts, Edusport/Caledonian Braves joining pyramid leagues with amateur roots. Amateur Cup winners having entry and doing alright could see the next club make the step into the senior pyramid.

EoS First Division Conference B Arniston Rangers 1-1 Edinburgh United Dalkeith Thistle 2-1 Easthouses Lily MW Hawick Royal Albert United 2-5 Glenrothes Inverkeithing Hillfield Swifts 4-2 Preston Athletic Tweedmouth Rangers 2-6 Coldstream Tynecastle 4-1 Stirling University (EoS)

EoS First Division Conference A Burntisland Shipyard 3-0 Ormiston Haddington Athletic 1-0 Dunipace Kinnoull 2-1 St Andrews United Lothian Thistle HV 1-3 Heriot-Watt University Peebles Rovers 1-4 Oakley United Leith Athletic 3-2 Craigroyston

EoS Premier Division Blackburn United 2-3 Broxburn Athletic Camelon Juniors 2-1 Dunbar United Crossgates Primrose 1-4 Hill of Beath Hawthorn Dundonald Bluebell 4-3 Sauchie Juniors Penicuik Athletic 3-3 Bo'ness United Tranent Juniors 2-1 Musselburgh Athletic Whitehill Welfare 2-1 Newtongrange Star

Southern Counties is basically the SOSFL. In the same way the EoSFA is the EOSFL.

They aren't public. Only two sets were released on here due to people having access to them from their own sources. Those were the Lowland Sub Group PWG meetings of November 2018 and January 2019 Wednesday 14 November 2018 Attendance: Ian Maxwell (CE, Scottish Fa) - IM, Laura Dougan (Head of football Governance Scottish FA) - LD, Sandy Bryson (Head of Registrations Dept Scottish FA)-SB, Vicki McMullan (Disciplinary Dept Manager & Judicial Panel Secretary Scottish FA)-VM, Iain McQueen (Asst Secretary/Treasurer SJFA)-IMcQ, Tom Johnston (Secretary SJFA)-TJ, George Fraser (Chairman SLFL)-GF, Andrew Renwick (Vice-President EOSFA)-AR, John Greenhorn (Secretary EOSFA)-JG, Richard Osborne (Secretary Southern Counties FA)-RO. Wednesday 9 January 2019 Attendance: Ian Maxwell (Chief Executive, Scottish FA) - IM, Laura Dougan (Head of Football Governance, Scottish FA) - LD, Sandy Bryson (Head of Registrations Department, Scottish FA) - SB, Vicki McMullan (Disciplinary Department Manager & Judicial Panel Secretary, Scottish FA) - VM, Tom Johnston (Secretary, Scottish Junior FA) - TJ, George Fraser (Chairman, Scottish Lowland Football League) - GF, Andrew Renwick (Vice-President, East of Scotland FA) - AR, John Greenhorn (Secretary, East of Scotland FA) - JG, Richard Osborne (Secretary, Southern Counties FA) - RO. Also something that was never noted in the minutes but has been in an email relating to a PWG in May 2018 meeting was that the HFL and SoS reps joined by conference call. So in those November and January minutes it's not clear if any members also joined by conference call which may have limited their participation.