Horsedosh

Re EU, if you think we'll get kicked out and that's bad what will happen if we vote NO. UK is going to have a referendum on it - how do you think that will go? Currency - think about it from an English perspective. Your second largest trading partner wants to continue using the currency they and you do. Do you A) keep things simple and do that, or B) screw over your own businesses by making trading far far more difficult, time consuming and costly for them (knowing that businesses will bitch like f**k that you're deliberatley making life difficult for them). Obviously, Cameron, Osborne, Darling and the other Tories aren't going to say that just now but logic dictates they will do the sensible thing at the time. You've also probaly read the latest in the financial press showing traders think the sterling zone idea is a good one http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-02/pound-bid-of-scots-nationalists-supported-by-traders-currencies.html so I would hope that would ease some of your fears there. Nuclear facilities - seriously?? I'd like them not to be kept a metaphorical stones throw from our largest city for one thing. Who is going to attack us? Hopefully nobody, but the only threat is a terrorist one. They will not be using nuclear misssles. We should get rid of them and use the money to increase spending on our intelligence services (as suggested in the White Paper).

That was meant to be a bit tounge in cheek - although a bit ironic that those at different ends of this particular spectrum find themselves as bedfellows. The first part of my post was not ironic and it genuinely saddens.

The Orange Order - how can you say you are a Christian organisation when your sole prupose appears to be to hate other people who are also Christians but take a different view on how best to love Jesus. I give up. BTW - VOTE NO in the referendum and you too will be showing your support for the orange order http://www.orangeorderscotland.com/ (no need to go past the first page).

Knew a guy called 'Size 10' cos his feet were size 10. Top nickname - why him and not anyone else with size 10s? Who knows, who cares.

Here we go again - on P&B all day, every day. Desperately pretending to work and not get sacked for spending all my life online. Perhaps a fighting fund for those sacked due to excessive P&Bing should be started now The The Sevco have started a new chapter in merryment giving.

Don't give Traynor your money. Don't bother buying the record - somebody will post the story up here anyway (from their website). For all actual news there are a million websites to choose from, none of which give money to that lowlife. I'm sure we all do this anyway but I would actually like that p***k to lose his job; he survives by creating mistrust and propogating half truths or full on lies. BTW - just listened to the Sportsound podcast, Cosgrove for President. Not so easy when you can't just cut them off, Traynor.

Traynor is a p***k. that article basically supports those morons who'd physically attack Hutton and the rest of the RR board. Traynor = lowlife.

Just thinking, on one hand 'Rangers' should really be suspended from all football for the amount of amoral activities they have undertaken - my specific bugbear is tax avoidance at such a massive level (cheats every single one of us, cheats our nurses, doctors, soldiers etc. who get paid and suplied via our taxes). I think a 1 - 2 year ban then allowing them to reapply is fair. That said, if at the begining of all of this if you'd have told me they wouldn't play in the SPL, there was a good chance they'd be in Div3, that Naismith, McGregor, Davis, et al would all leave for nothing and that their business case doesn't appear to stack up, I'd have a gentle - and just - smile. Thought three of course is that I might now want them to stay in the SPL as that'd mean we wouldn't be the shoo-ins for relegation we appear to be this year. (joking - let them die).

Totally agree with this. Put them in SFL1 then a small % of clubs will play them twice. Put them in SFL3 nearly all the clubs will play twice, and they'll get some sort of TV deal for the whole time they're there. It would seem commercially stupid to put them in SFL1 from the perspective of SFL clubs.

Just looked at Jim Spence's twitter account. Why can't Rangers fans understand the more they treat people like that, the more normal people will hate them. They nearly all come across as total and utter lowlife scum.

Great shout - Hearts tea bags and a Dundee United mug coming right up.

Why, that would make it really easy for the nutjob element to track people down and explain the error of their ways to them in accepted Rangers style.

Poor Jim Whyte - stutter, stutter. Looking sweet.

Way behind on the thread now. Was that Colin Jackson on STV who had white hair when he played? I remember thinking he looked about a hundred back then. Anyway, feeling a bit down this morning. McColl will give Smith £12 - 15m to give to Green. Everybody wets themselves over Sir Wattie, Rangers go straight back into SPL. No discernible punishments. Next team that goes anywhere near admin gets a huge punishment. I give up on football.

As a 6 year old, no, of course you don't. As an adult in their 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, etc.. you can make a choice of whether you want to continue giving your support and money to an instituion that uses sectarianism as (at best) a tacit part of their appeal. You are an adult, you can change your mind. I'm guessing most of us with kids have friends who don't take their kids to Rangers or Celtic although they used to go themselves as they are basically decent folk who don't want to expose their children to that. I've a good mate in Glasgow who was a Celtic season ticket holder. He brought up this point a few months back saying if his kids are interested in football then the family are off to see Partick. In my mind, those are the choices respectable adults make for themselves and their children, and conversely those who understand what Celtic and Rangers are both doing to keep sectarianism alive in the country but still choose to support them have should beashamed of that.

Posters stop lying. I was in Vietnam last week and all I saw was wall to wall coverage of the problems of the biggest club in the world. On Uzbek state TV, Uzbek Big Boy Bears High Heid Yin Gennady Chickflik said the country would enter eight days of mourning should "the institution of most loveliness to Uzbek sports fans go under". President Big Chap of Belize is this morning calling an emergency session of parliament asking for the country's name to be changed to Believe (in Rangers). Tonight all the managers of teams competing in the Euros are releasing a joint statement of support for Rangers. Watery fella Neptune of Atlantis has made his state re-emerge today for the sole reason of showing support for his beloved Buns. Austria has detained all Rapid Vienna fans asking for their money back, otherwise the UN will send troops into their ungrateful little nation. Posters - stop lying. The biggest club in the world, with the biggest and best support are top billing globally.

Herald piece quoted earlier http://www.heraldsco...angers.17819881 say loan has 8% interest (not cheap). Quote: "King's statement was a strongly worded criticism of the club's administrators and Green, whose £8.5m bid is in the form of a loan, at 8% interest."

Can't believe the not paying tax in admin story. H&D are not new to this game so either story is wrong, or they are somehow allowed to behave like this. Surely? Otherwise, well otherwise this is all turning out very nicely.

Reading Comedy Central (RM). We are all Charlie Adam (who was one of the worst players to play for the mighty Gers according to some fella or other on there). Though we are not his brother.

I'm I the only one with a bad feeling. H&D will get punished, but that will take time. During that time Green completes his takeover as a newco. Football authorities say Green could only buy from who was selling, so he's in the clear, Rangers Newco are in the SPL for the 'financial good of the game'. H&D get severely punished but from our perspective, so what. Rangers are still alive. Tell me it won't happen. Please.

You ain't wrong. Just been on for 10 mins. One guy saying if this was in Belfast they'd be rioting and setting cars alight by now. Another saying it was time to get the ta^^^^s out of Hampden. Another saying Daly wasn't releasing stuff til midnight as he'd be in midnight mass. Another - somewhat ironic nobber - wailing about the waste of licence payers money this BBC investigation was. Pishing away the readies of the good folk of the country is indeed a shitty thing to do so look in the mirror you fanny. What the f**k kind of lives do these people lead - i couldn't care less what religious background my mates came from, and for most of my acquaintences I don't know their religious persuasion. Poisonous, vile cretins - seriously, our society would take a massive forward step if the outlet for these p***ks was killed off. I'm guessing 99.99% of Scottish people do not look at the troubles in Northern Ireland and think 'I wish we could have that over here'.

Just sent my tuppence worth to the FIFA site, I now have the opposite of a guilty conscience It's a 2 minute job, if you ain't done it, do so now fellow P&Bers. The url is http://www.fifa.com/contact/form.html BTW - does anybody else have the word Cockwomble buzzing through their heads to the tune of the B52s Rock Lobster? Cockwomble, Cockwomble........Cockwomble

I'm never too sure how to take your posts, mate. Mostly, you're very reasoned but then you chuck in an odd one. I'm not revelling in the misery of every Rangers fan (good mates and family who are very decent folk and season tickets holders) but I do want your club to die. What I am revelling in the potential demise of an institution that is the outlet of a large propotion of sectarianism in the country - there are horrible, vile elements in your support that I don't see in most of the other teams (bar Celtic). Also, as an organisation Rangers (and again Celtic) tacitly use sectarianism to generate fans and support (they could ban all sectarian overtures from their stadiums, they choose not too). That, I think, is reason enough to despise your club never mind the fact you were buying players you didn't have the money for and in the case of Lee Wallace playing him in the same competition as the people you said you'd pay. On the subject of being unfairly penalised, this has been done to death but one issue that really gets to me is that we are talking about not paying taxes on a huge level (millions rising to tens of millions). What do we pay taxes for? Old Age Pensions, Education, Medicinces for the sick, weaponry and armour for soldiers, making our road safer, etc. By the actions of Rangers fans and the type of statement you've posted it seems you consider your club more important than those areas that tax gets spent on. I know you posted stuff that kinda says the opposite before so I'm not having a go at you in any great way but the whole Rangers anger at the punishments seems crazy from a moral perspective (never mind a footballing one). The organisation you support decided not to support the central pot of our government (not very loyal) on a massive scale and that's OK? Of course not.

BBC reporting Uist Builders in admin. 240 job losses. Day One - "Hello, I'm the administrator. There will be 240 redundanies". My absolute sympathies to them all. D&P - not quite. Seriously Rangers and their fans seem to have no idea how lightly they have been treated. Roll on the funeral.