Dunty

And how is that working out for you - having training grounds (which we don't have and will now have next year), city centre stadiums "allowing you to invest in the playing side" and, currently, larger crowds? Because you still seem to be getting your arse handed to you and are a long way off us in the table. But apparently a better stadium and training facilities for us is what is going to help you take over us. Wishful thinking. Really? Why don't we spend an extra TWENTY MILLION????? No bother. By the way, when are you going to spend £20 million on trying to win the league? What's that? You can't afford it? Ah right. Which would be where? The middle of the A90? You're called Hibernian. You don't play in Ireland. Are you seeing what I'm getting at? When you play an away game does that mean you're not Hibs either?

Brilliant. Key west only holds 100 apparently, the Westhill hotel (which has two bars by the way, and also a huge function suite that they may see a money making opportunity from by opening on match day) only holds 50. No Kingsford levels of nonsense now.

Right, but, we've established for the very few who will have a 45 minute wait, there's enough to keep you entertained?

The town of Westhill is 10 minutes walk away. There's bars (plural) and plenty of places to eat. Yes, and a costa if that's your thing. Head in the other direction towards prime four and there's a big hotel. There is also talk of a retail unit opening there.

Stop believing all the lies about the stadium being in the middle of nowhere. There's plenty round about to keep you busy for 45 minutes. It doesn't matter how many explanations are made to you, you live in your own little bubble where the Sims are real and you can build what you like without having to worry about cost or modern building regulations. Also, to save me quoting another one of your posts, Aberdeen could not build a stadium with an open terrace. I actually thought that was the worst of your comments, until you said let's build a stand like St Mirren's.

This from the guy who thinks we can build a brand new stadium for £20m, have just 15,000 seats, then have open terraces to try and get the capacity up.

Not true. Firstly, the current transport strategy (which I think we all know is going to vastly change when this Transport Steering Group takes charge of it anyway) has buses going from other areas of the city to Kingsford. There is also the buses from park and rides in Dyce and Bridge of Don. I'm not saying no-one will have to get two buses, I'm not saying no-one will have a longer journey, but these people are in a minority. The majority will not have major disruption getting to Kingsford, just a change of routine. But this is a regular occurrence at many grounds. Queue for the underground at Ibrox after a game and you'll often be waiting until 17.30 before getting on. At Bayern Munich, they estimate that the car park takes three hours to empty. They have trains that service the ground but they don't hold 60,000 people at once, so there are long queues for that too. Really, 45 minutes is not a huge amount of time to wait. It's a pint in the supporters bar. Granted, if you're getting a train back to Glasgow or Edinburgh it's a pain, but as above this is a small amount of people, and there are solutions to that - ie get the shuttle to Dyce train station instead (queue will be shorter, journey time shorter) or run direct shuttles downntue AWPR to Stonehaven station. How I read it they're not banned completely, but Aberdeen would have to apply for permission rather than just announce they have a 5pm kick-off or that Rod Stewart is playing. That's pretty standard stuff anyway.

Maybe you should read the whole post first before making a c**t of yourself. I never said it'd take everyone 10 mins to get to Kingsford. I asked how much longer did he think it would take supoorters to get there than Pittodrie. Funnily enough, there are times 20,000 people descend upon Pittodrie as well, from all over the city, and even outwith the city. Very few of them will have much longer journeys to Kingford. There will be those who have something like 10 minutes longer on their travel time, to those who actually have shorter journeys. That's because not everyone lives in union street.

But how many people will be starting their journey from the city centre? Someone from Mastrick for example - how long does it take to get to Pittodrie, and how long will it take to get to Kingsford? It's not 45 minutes longer is it? Same for Bridge of Don, Dyce, Hilton, Northfield. I could go on.

How much longer? An hour? Two hours? Or about 10 bleeding minutes?

Why would the surge in attendances last two years? Why would you go to games for two years - maybe 40+ games, and THEN decide you don't like it Why would it not last 3/4 games before the novelty wore off? If you're going regularly after two years, you're clearly enjoying it. And not everyone lives six miles from the stadium or will have a six mile trip. Legally they would have to say what bridge (or alternative - an underpass perhaps) would be suitable. They couldn't say no without good reason. They can argue over the size of it. Kingsford isn't six miles outside of Aberdeen. It's six miles from the city centre. It's within the city boundary. Hibs should not have rebuilt Easter Road. They should have retained the club's history. Now they have a stadium, strips, badge, slope and team that is unrecognisable with thirty years ago. Just because the pitch is in the same spot, doesn't mean it's the same Easter Road. Same with Tynecastle. The same St Mirren who moved from Love Street to a "soulless concrete new build" that was designed for families? So you once backed that "remote" Kingsford location?

But if building in the city centre is going to cost Aberdeen more money then they are entitled to seek a cheaper alternative elsewhere. Therefore if that effects city centre trade, the onus is on the council to persuade them to stay. Rejecting Kingsford isnt going to do that.

If ACC are so keen to keep Aberdeen in the city centre, why don't they offer to help? If they reject this, do Aberdeen suddenly turn around and say "okay, let's spend £10-15m extra on Kings Links or redeveloping Pittodrie"? They'll look for land just as cheap, which will probably be Aberdeenshire. Portlethen would be my guess as they could then pitch the train station as part of the transport plan.

How do Scotland fans outwith Aberdeen currently travel to Pittodrie for internationals? I doubt they come by train, since usually for a midweek game the last train leaves well before full-time. So they likely come by car and bus. In which, they'll find Kingsford a lot easier to get to and from than Pittodrie. As for semi-finals, we've not hosted one of those in 14 years. The council have restricted them to 1300 (they want to build more). They have a deal with arnhall to provide another 600 off site, plus the various park and rides adds another 1000 or so. Based on an average of 3 people per car. Unnofficialy, there is parking in Westhill and kingswells.

It you look at similar sized new football stadiums around Europe that have been built in recent years, £40m seems about right, and I'm pretty sure the club have gone to the effort of actually working out the cost. You've made up a capacity, made up a cost, made up what the crowds would be, and anyone who doesn't believe you must be on drugs. And when questioned on it you just use some emojis. You're either off your head or trolling.

Then why are you saying the club need to raise £35m "not including the cost of a training ground" when it does include the cost of a training ground? If you're not including the training ground then knock £10m off it. So crowds at a rebuilt Pittodrie will be 14,000? Smaller than the 16,000 average this season - I take it that's because we're losing 2,000 every time we have a capacity crowd (and that's if you can get it to 18,000, which I seriously doubt). That's what £20m gets you apparently. And you've worked out it'll be 11,000 at Kingsford - based on what? More of your fantasy figures.

The training ground is part of the development at Kingsford. Where is this £20m cost coming from? It's just a figure you've made up. Bigger crowds? In a smaller stadium? Try again. How do you know crowds will be smaller at Kingsford? This is just more shite that you're making up to try and justify a ridiculous idea of spending millions on decreasing the size of the stadium and future income.

Yeh, your plan is to spend £20m on reducing the capacity of Pittodrie and therefore the club's ability to make money? And it doesn't include the cost of a separate training ground. And we're the crack smokers?

There will be direct buses from Dyce park and ride, so he wouldn't need two buses. Who?

Irony alert

That's not what I've been saying. I've said it can't be redeveloped to a 20,000 capacity (or close to it) without increasing the footprint. The main stumbling block is the price of the land. It's valued at £18m-£24m. And it's not big enough for a dual facility so in addition to acquiring that we still would need to buy land for the training ground.

You call someone a "fuckin tool" then want them to explain building regulations to you? Nah, you can google it.

It's funny how professional architects have looked at it, some independent from the club, and believe a 14,000 rebuilt capacity at Pittodrie seems about right. But you're willing to ignore all that and say we can do stuff that isn't possible and anyone disagreeing with you is an idiot. You're some boy like. "This isn't up for debate". Really? You're just making random shite up - "we'll build this stand here, we'll stick it underground if we have to, it'll cost this much". I'll leave you to it. I don't think I'm capable of dumbing myself down to your level.

So it's 18,000 now? Not a hope of building anywhere close to that without *increasing the footprint*. You couldn't build Hearts main stand where the south is. You would get a 4,000 capacity stand there if you're lucky due to modern building regulations and no matter how much you deny it the pitch needs widened. Your 1200 capacity main means we're left with stadium holding less than 14,000. Brilliant. Sounds like a great plan. And £20m to do it? Yep, no idea why we're wasting our time with Kingsford when we could be doing that.

Your explanation has the incorrect current capacities of each stand for a start, you think we can build a 16,000 stadium and just add loads of terracing to it to up the capacity, you haven't explained how you plan to rebuild the main stand without increasing the footprint, and you plucked a cost for it out of thin air. Utter delusion.