[Livingston - all the threads merged]

It's not a good point, because it isn't true! Did Massone help matters? No. Christ only knows what he thought he was doing - he may well be genuinely insane. But let's not forget, administration (for the second time) and threat of liquidation is the result of chronic corruption and mismanagement.

In case you didn't notice, football ownership is effectively legalised money laundering. It's the only reason - at least on a large scale - that people become involved in football. Massone is not the first. Not even the first at Livingston (therein lies the heart of the matter). Look at Hearts. The guy is fleecing them to the hilt, but gets away with it because without him the club is unsustainable.

Which is why its a good point to bring in rules to prevent these launderers from walking away Scot Free. The only people getting punished at Livvy (as well as at my club and Hearts in the future) is the people who have to mop the mess up afterwards and the creditors. The real people to blame very often walk away, at worst, even steven.

I'm not advocating that Livvy are not punished but suggest that there should be rules preventing this from happening in the first place.

[Livingston - all the threads merged]

I agree with many of the comments on the board; unfortunately I feel that many people forget that it is the owner of the club that drove Livi down this road and he is the person who is walking away with £50K. The owner needs to be punished not just those left picking up the pieces.

A good point.

I don't think Livvy should avoid a points penalty but something has to be done to stop these "businessmen" from coming to clubs, running up huge debts then walking away with a tidy wee sum in the bank.

I don't recall many complaints about the lack of financial prudence when Livvy were doing well on the park however!

[The New Raith Rovers Thread]

I've still not seen the team yet this season but I've been impressed with the reports on how the team is playing. Make no mistake, this is going to be a tough season but I'm increasingly confident that we will be able to do it. We haven't broken the bank in a bid to stay up but we have a fair amount of talent in the squad. My only concern is taht a few injuries/ suspensions would leave us very light.

Even if we were to go down at the end of the season we would be in a much stronger position to return than the last time we were relegated. The club is definitely moving in the right direction and building a pretty solid base.

I'm not tingling but there is a flutter of excitement about the new season!

[The New Raith Rovers Thread]

Impressed with the signings we have made so far. I think the squad is now taking shape and although it is not very deep, we have a number of versatile players that can perform in at least 2 positions. A decent loan signing up front would give us a squad that I think is capable of doing enough to stay up and give us something to build on for next season.

I agree with some of the sentiments regarding Davidson. He has a part to play in the squad but shouldn't be captain of the club as he isn't entitled to be in the first 11 every week. Someone like Mark Campbell, Graham Weir or Dave McGurn who, if available, will play.

Playing Davo in any position IMO weakens the side if all players are fit.