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    The Famous Aberdeen - Season 2022/23

    in Scottish Premiership General Chatter

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    Amazing what a good team on the pitch and a good marketing campaign can do. The "No Kingsford" group have helped the club no end as anyone anti-Kingsford is now seen as anti-AFC. The Loirston plans were better than what's being proposed for "Aurora" yet received nowhere near the level of support, could you explain that?
    Its fair enough to say that nobody else has stepped up to run the club, at the same time we're moving the club 7 miles out of the city centre because apparently there are no other options. Doesn't mean that either are desirable situations.


    Mate, that's the new stadium debate, which has a thread of it's own.
    My post was that Milne has been a decent custodian of the club and I would trust him to pick a decent manager to replace DM when the time comes.
    Ebbe had a stellar cv when he came in. He was just not suited to Scotland and a bit past It.
    Pele had probably achieved more in football when he came in than Jack Ross has up to now. The drink had hold of him though and a bit of due diligence on that one might have helped. Lesson learned hopefully.
    McGee was a disaster of an appointment. Milne made a right c**t of that one.
    Craig Brown steadied the ship and laid the foundations for Mcinnes.

    Far from perfect, but we could do a lot worse.


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    The Famous Aberdeen - Season 2022/23

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    You could argue that the end justifies the means but he allowed the debt to run up under his stewardship and we could be in a much more precarious position had it not been for the Donalds. It's not as if this was a calculated move from Milne, he ran up a debt that hampered us for years.
    You can compare before and now but you also have to look at the 'during'. 9 bottom half finishes out of 19 stemming from repeated poor management appointments and utter neglect of having suitable stadium and training facilities. 
    We were previously led by visionaries who made Pittodrie one of the best and most modern grounds in Britain at the time. Now we're about 20 years behind the curve with a disproportionate semi-dilapidated stadium and struggling to move out to a new ground on the outskirts of an Aberdeenshire commuter village. He'll leave the club in a geographically poorer position than he found it which we'll have to deal with financially for decades.


    We don't know how anyone else would have handled managing the club in that period. But we do know that no one tried to.

    I am not seeing any consortium looking to buy him out now either. No "save Pittodrie" fans action group. Just anti kingsford.

    I think he's done a decent enough job. He stood up in troubled times and is working hard on delivering Kingsford.

    I get that you are strongly opposed to moving Stadium as are many Dons fans. However, it is a minority view.

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    The Famous Aberdeen - Season 2022/23

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    Sorry, but this one always makes me chuckle.
    You think a bloke worth 400 million, with housing estates all over Scotland and beyond, has really only undergone all the personal hassle and abuse that being chairman of AFC entails, purely so he can stick up a few flats in an otherwise drab part of town,  20 plus years later.
     

    Slam dunk.

    Milne must have a mega ego to put up with the shite and pressure of running Aberdeen. But there can be no dispute that he is a pure Dandy with the club at his heart.
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    The Famous Aberdeen - Season 2022/23

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    Running up £15 million of debt and getting your business pals to pay it off as a favour is generally not good practice.


    You are completely overlooking the fact that he got the club out of the same debt.

    He struck a genius deal with the banks that wrote off a heap of the debt.

    Getting wealthy people to put money into the club with no strings attached whether its your mates or not is extremely good practice.

    Milne made mistakes along with other clubs overspending in the 90's to try to complete with rangers. It was a collective madness. However, he stuck around to rectify his mistakes and turned it around. He also built the dick Donald stand, which I believe he was never paid for. Although I don't know that for sure.

    It's completely appropriate to compare where the club was when he took the helm and where it is now. It's in much better shape and the buck stops with him.
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    The Famous Aberdeen - Season 2022/23

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    7 minutes ago, lubo_blaha said:

    Not entering administration doesn't make him a good chairman. Just because other clubs have been mismanaged more than our own doesn't mean Milne has been a success. In fact, our debt increased dramatically under Milne and was only cleared because of a kind act by the Donalds. We're posting good financial results now partly because of the lack of debt repayments which were around 500k per year I believe.

    Milne has spent 17 years attempting to deliver a new stadium and training ground and has utterly failed. The deliberate neglect of our current ground is evident to see and our first team players get a minibus out to hired facilities every day. The best player we've produced in 20 years left aged 18 because of this. He also wants to move Aberdeen FC to a field several miles outside of Aberdeen.

    He's out of touch with the support. He bottled it when we could've got rid of the 11-1 voting system. He would've bottled the newco situation had the fans not held back on season ticket purchases. He'd be quite happy to sit behind the Glasgow two until the end of time and take the apparent money associated with that, despite us bringing in record turnover year on year in the absence of a strong team at Ibrox.

    He appointed McInnes but he also appointed Skovdahl, Paterson and McGhee. McInnes has been the one good appointment with the rest ranging from decent to diabolical. Across the SPL era (1998-2013), which coincides with Milne's reign as chairman pre-McInnes, we were outperformed by both Motherwell and Kilmarnock. McInnes transforming our fortunes on the pitch has made people think we're a well run club when in reality we're doing well despite Milne.

    The number of clubs entering into administration and liquidation suggests, to me anyway, that running a football club isn't the easiest thing in the world to do.  The Donald family among others made generous financial contributions to the club whilst under Milne's stewardship.  He has been on the board since 1994, probably the most turbulent period in Scottish football history. If he ran up the debt, then he also cleared it. To blame him for one and not give credit for the other is unfair. 

    He's been chairman a long time. 17 years, your post suggests that the club being on a sound financial footing after all that time being despite the person making all the decisions and not because of him is also unfair. 

    The training ground stadium saga has been a shambles, the 11-1 vote was a missed opportunity, he is by no means perfect. However, I would prefer his stewardship over a magnesium glare like Hearts and Dundee had.

     

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    The Famous Aberdeen - Season 2022/23

    in Scottish Premiership General Chatter

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    14 minutes ago, lubo_blaha said:

    Jack Ross is a decent manager but, especially with the likes of Killie and County bringing in Clarke and Coyle, we should be thinking bigger. McInnes has elevated the stature of our club from a bottom six side to the second best team in the country, challenging for cups and getting into Europe every year. We've also got a chairman who gives managers a lot of control over the club (mostly because he's too incompetent to do it himself) and we may even have a training ground in a year or two. Not that I trust them to make the right call, if/when McInnes does go.

    Why not? They hired McIness. 

    I don't get the  hate for Milne at all. When you see what's gone on at Rangers, Kilmarnock, Motherwell, Dundee, Hibs, Hearts. He may not be perfect, but he's been at least as big a part of the recent revival as DM. 

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    The Famous Aberdeen - Season 2022/23

    in Scottish Premiership General Chatter

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    26 minutes ago, RussellAnderson said:

     


    Lighten up min. McInnes is as good as it's ever been for 25 years. Deila's Celtic was only a missed opportunity because McInnes created the opportunity. If we were still jobbing around the bottom of the table like the majority of the last couple of decades we'd still be complaining that they were unassailable. McInnes has just about taken us up to as high as we can get.

    Sure he's bottled big games, and we could have done better in cup competitions (Dundee Utd in 14/15 in particular looks a missed opportunity). Rangers the other day was a disaster, and I blame McInnes entirely. He's lucky that he's got another shot at it this weekend. He's surely got enough credit in the bank going forward to keep fans onside?!

    Basically, I emoji173.png️ McInnes. I don't want to go back to Stephen Hughes. I don't want to go back to Mark McGhee. I'm happy where we are.

     

    Agreed. DM has created the expectation that we could get to the next level although he is yet to deliver and perhaps never will. I believe he gets a bigger share of the credit and Milne gets less than they deserve for the improvements. However, DM is  great for Aberdeen  and when I am not raging about another disaster in Glasgow, I would not swop him.

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    The Famous Aberdeen - Season 2022/23

    in Scottish Premiership General Chatter

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    27 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd String said:

    I don't think too many Dons fans would be upset if McInnes left. It's just Rangers they can't stomach. They are cock a hoop because he has just gave a GIRFUY to Rangers. But football is littered with managers who do the opposite to what they say. Let's see what happens.

    Utter baseless pish. Did you miss the celebrations on here when DM knocked back Sunderland in the Summer? 

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    The Famous Aberdeen - Season 2022/23

    in Scottish Premiership General Chatter

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    Just now, RandomGuy. said:

     


    RangersMedia is fun. A section "never wanted him anyway, we need to aim higher", some think "he's been desperate for the job but realises he's not getting it so is now playing up to the Aberdeen support" and a new section are trying to convince everyone Stuart McCalls Motherwell stint is more impressive than McInnes at Aberdeen.

    That's ignoring the group who want Neil McCann as their next manager, and those who think only Walter Smith can save them. One boy is raging there's been no moves for Ancelloti

     

    It really is. I was reading through it earlier. It beggars belief.

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    The Famous Aberdeen - Season 2022/23

    in Scottish Premiership General Chatter

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    11 minutes ago, Tartantony said:

     


    I want to play a bit of devils advocate here. Do you think that DM has been made to look better than he is given Rangers, Hearts and Hibs problems/ Aberdeen sorting out their own financial problems during his reign? Would you consider his achievements as minimum expectation given these circumstances? Would any half decent manager have achieved the same?

     

    Finishing ahead of Rangers last season and getting to two cup finals was an excellent return. The club has its shit together on and off the park. DM has been at the centre of this revival but by no means the only factor. Everyone associated with Aberdeen are desperate to see the club lift more silverware. However, the task is huge, up against a financial giant of a club.

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