Kyle Reese
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4 minutes ago, Sortmeout said:
Football is too subjective for decisions to ever be completely perfect.
For that reason I am anti-VAR as it takes too long and you’ll never agree with every decision.
Use it for offsides via an automated line if possible. If not then bin it completely.
If used properly by people that just want to arrive at the correct decision, it makes it far less subjective, and far more accurate and fair.
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7 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:
You asked why you got red dots and not responses. You didn’t like the answer. Not really my problem.
You didn’t really answer.
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2 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:
You asked why you got red dots and not responses. You didn’t like the answer. Not really my problem.
No, I asked those that red dotted to put together considered negatory replies, instead of just red dotting. Nobody has actually managed to respond in any kind of way that even answers my points to give me food for thought, nor disprove my reasoning.
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8 minutes ago, VincentGuerin said:
Every team has decisions go their way and go against them. We also won a Scottish Cup final against Rangers with two, ahem, marginal penalty decisions. You've got to see the bigger picture.
The general point is that it makes the game too picky, and this is where it differs from your example of a goal being disallowed in another post. In non-VAR games a goal will be disallowed if a referee spots something. If he's seen it, it's likely worth seeing. If nobody has seen it, then VAR interventions in the game are against the spirit of the sport and ruin the emotion and experience in the ground. Football's laws aren't a science. They're, to a large degree, subjective. VAR doesn't work.
I've mentioned it before, but everyone I go to games with agreed that our penalty in the routine trouncing of Hibs at Tynecastle last season was the least satisfying derby goal we've scored. An absolutely fucking shite experience. Fair play to you if you like that, but I honestly can count on the fingers of one hand the number of people I know who share your view.
It’s cool mate. Basically it comes down to me comparing pre and post VAR incidents, and me weighing it up on how I feel it affects my enjoyment of football.
On the one hand I have to consider the breaks in the game and the fact I could celebrate and have the reason to celebrate overturned.
On the other hand I look at how decisions like Andy Davis, Brines and McDonald are less common or likely.
I am pretty definitive in my decision.
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1 minute ago, Dons_1988 said:
Yeah, like I said. I’m sitting this one out.
Sit it out then, instead of being obtuse and churlish and trying to build strawman arguments that are not relevant nor necessary, when my posts are perfectly concise and plain in their meaning.
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Just now, FK1Bairn said:
I imagine the red dots are because your original post comes across as very 'Old Firmy' and looking for a conspiracy that quite simply isn't there
Oh right. So the examples that I gave then? You know, the ones that were predominantly in favour of the old firm? They make my point “old firmy”?
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1 minute ago, Dons_1988 said:
It’s quite difficult to debate what you’ve said when your opinion on VAR seems based on the premise that referees in this country are a corrupt bunch needing technology to hold them to account.
Theres a vast number of reasons why VAR is objectively bad for the sport and why it fundamentally doesn’t work, but if you believe that refs go into games trying to cheat you then I doubt any of that is going to cut through.
The fact you think people want rid of VAR because it exposes corruption is a bit of a red flag not to engage tbh.
Well there you have it. I have laid out my reasons and backed them up with recorded incidents. I have stated reasons why I hold the position I do.
I take it from the post that I am replying to, that you did not get cheated as often as my team pre-VAR? That in itself just strengthens my resolve tbh.
My position is that I would like to see the technology properly implemented to ensure more correct decisions than what we had to endure before its introduction. Also, pertinently, I want to see referees chosen on merit, and not because they scuttled through Strathclyde associations.
My club has not been cheated as much (we have still been cheated) as before VAR was introduced. For that reason I want to see it improved. It is human error that is causing the issues, not the technology. Let’s see us sort out the real problem.
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4 minutes ago, KingswellsRed said:
Many of us attend the football for the moments you remember and talk about for years to come. Celebrating a last minute winner for example. So for us VAR very much is the problem as there is now always that doubt about whether the goal will stand.
I celebrate every goal and feel the angst after every look at those decisions afterwards. I much prefer actually getting cheated so often, to the risk of a goal I celebrated being chalked off.
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3 minutes ago, kingjoey said:
I did particularly enjoy our Scottish Cup run and final that year.
I am sure you did. Being seven, I enjoyed the whole season, but felt a little bit down in the final league game and the cup final, but at that age and in your first season? It did not ruin the memories and emotions I had felt along the way.
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Just now, DA Baracus said:
VAR is abysmal and needs to f**k right off.
That's why.
Oh right. Great reply mate. Impressive stuff.
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The biggest two arguments against VAR appear to be:
1) Referees and other officials have been exposed as either completely incompetent or corrupt.
2) It spoils the flow of the game.
The first one is a ludicrous reason to get rid of it. It should be a reason to revamp and totally revolutionise the standard of officiating.
The second one is no different to a goal being called back for a referees decision in the run up.
VAR is not the problem. The problem is the sub-standard cowards running the show.
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9 hours ago, Kyle Reese said:
I do not want to get rid of VAR. I would rather not go back to our fate being decided by cowardly officials giving incorrect decisions against us with impunity. The mere fact that Celtic and Rangers would love to bin it should tell you everything you need to know. Keep it but make it better and improve the standard of our shite officials.
Fair few red dots on this post of mine. Can the folk who did so actually explain what it is about the content of the post that prompted it? If it is just purely disagreement, then quote it and say why.
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49 minutes ago, DA Baracus said:
How many penalties have Sevco had this season?
No idea. All I know is that the number of utterly farcical decisions against HMFC has reduced through its use. Last season we got two penalties at Parkhead and both were only given after VAR intervention. I was closer to giving up on the whole corrupt shooting match due to the corruption in officiating PRE-VAR!
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39 minutes ago, kingjoey said:
1986, you say?
Yep. My first ever season. It was incredible. Loved it.
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7 minutes ago, DukDukGoose said:
Not to be a dick, but do you attend games?
I've not spoken to one regular attendee who'd like to keep it.
I started going to all home games and most away as a seven year old in 1986.
I have been a season book holder (unbroken) since 1996.
I still go to the away games that I can, and I never miss a cup game.
I do get the whole thing about celebrating a goal, and then waiting on VAR to overrule it, but I can live with that. Far better to just improve the refereeing standard, and to eliminate so many utterly ridiculous decisions like the ones I mentioned in my long post. That frustration was unbearable.
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Just now, DukDukGoose said:
The old firm have felt hard done by for years.
A lad I used to work with still speaks about the odd incorrect decision from the 90s during their 9 in a row era.
If you want to look at it from the 'refs are biased' points of view, VAR gives them another chance to give them the decision they want.
In my experience this has not been the case. We have had penalties against them that we would not have been awarded before, and the things I mentioned in my long post would have been overturned.
Honestly don’t know if people forget how bad it was previously, but maybe that varies from club supporter to club supporter. We have had the absolute knickers taken off us over the years at HMFC, and I prefer the way things are now.
I absolutely want to see the idiots running the show fired out a cannon in to mid-Atlantic, but I want the improved accuracy in verdicts to stay.
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That’s just some of the big incidents off the top of my head too. All the offside goals or undeserved penalties over the years. Nope much prefer this way.
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1 hour ago, LIVIFOREVER said:
They genuinely think they're hard done by with decisions against them anyway, so no, that doesn't tell you anything. 20 decisions could go their way and when one goes against them, they think the officials are biased towards the diddy teams.
They have had incidents overturned or turned in the other teams favour due to VAR that they would never have normally suffered. They hate it because it stops them getting as many things in their favour. Brendan Rodgers in particular hates that his team do not get as many favours as they used to. I much prefer what happens now compared to:
Four players sent off at Ibrox mostly for f**k all
Andy Webster told he must have elbowed himself in the eye, not John Hartson
Dougie MacDonald sending off Webster and McCann at Rugby Park and Hartley in the 2006 cup final
Andy Davis awarding Kyriakos a penalty for diving
Barry Ferguson playing basketball
Ian Brines sending off Fyssas for a dive by Maloney in a New Year’s Day game vs Celtic
Allan McGregor kung-fu kicking Callum Elliot in the stomach
Kenny Miller effectively ending Kevin McHattie’s career at a decent level with a knee high challenge at the touchline
No thanks, I prefer when incompetence and bias are exposed and the officials made to look incompetent for their cowardice.
I particularly enjoyed the nationwide ridicule when Dermot Gallagher reviewed the incident where the Motherwell player kicked Boyce in the chest and he booked him for diving. The two studio guests and him on SKY pissing themselves laughing at the referee. The more exposure these p***ks get the better
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Yes. It is far better than the rage and frustration that I would endure on an almost weekly basis, caused by corrupt or inept officials. Keep it but get some decent officials in to operate it. The old firm would love to get rid of it.
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I do not want to get rid of VAR. I would rather not go back to our fate being decided by cowardly officials giving incorrect decisions against us with impunity. The mere fact that Celtic and Rangers would love to bin it should tell you everything you need to know. Keep it but make it better and improve the standard of our shite officials.
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2 hours ago, kingjoey said:
With herds of wildebeest sweeping majestically...
Bunch of arse.
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47 minutes ago, Tony Wonder said:
First time Dalkeith has been called civilised.
Bear in mind the cretin in question is from the Gorbals. Makes Dalkeith look like The Hanging Gardens of Babylon.
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52 minutes ago, Sortmeout said:
I would guess @wingnut, like all of the other old firm fans on here, goes on a bus with zero bigotry issues and no cultural singing.
Thats why you can hardly hear the bigotry at away games, only maybe 1 in every 20 buses or something has any bigotry problems.
Tynecastle is a far nicer place without a full stand of the scuttling reptiles and their odious behaviour.
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1 minute ago, topcat(The most tip top) said:
You can't "know" but it seems a reasonable working assumption especially because we're playing for pretty low stakes here
But it can be a gateway into the "We hate that lot because they hate us" bigotry that people like Wingnut are often, knowingly or unwittingly, entrenched into
As the Buddha (566-486 BC Philosopher, Spiritual Leader and Chairman of Ancient Indea Heart Supporters Club) once said "For hatred does not cease by hatred at any time"
Or as Yoda (896 BBY to 4 ABY: Jedi Master and secretary of Dagobah Supporters Club Hearts) put it "Hatred leads to suffering"
Or indeed as Martin Luther King (1929-1968: Preacher , Civil Rights leader and Third Lanark fan) preached: “Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars
Arrogance is an undesirable trait but when faced with the likes of Wingnut it may be hard to avoid but it's up to your own strength of moral character to not give in to hate
Remember the words of Friedrich Nietzsche (1844-1900 Philosopher, Miserable Sod, Had a shockingly poor quality tattoo of Hearts Captain Isaac Begbie)
"Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster... for when you gaze long into the abyss. The abyss gazes also into you."Cretinous Simpletons from utter shitholes like Wingnut shouldn't be hated they should be pitied, An Idea that was put best by Sergeant Bosco Albert Baracus (1952 -???? US Army, Soldier of fortune, Los Angeles Underground Hearts) when he said "I pity the fools"
Put it better than I ever could. Thank you to your good self, and all those wise men of history. Especially Mr T.
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Chasing VAR out of Scotland
in Scottish Premiership General Chatter
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No, sorry. I disagree.
You have not given me reasons, you have just said you disagree.
Which of these listed decisions were correct? It would be better to debate them individually in this instance.
Personally my experience of Scottish football for the last nearly 40 years has been littered with really really shit decisions that have been just laughed off and overlooked. I compare that to what has happened since VAR and the positive of it far outweighs the negatives.
I am giving my opinion and I stand strongly by it. Were you in attendance when Miko was sent off for Andy Davis cheating? I was. What about Brines sending of Fyssas?
Nah, nobody is going to convince me that my experience of football the parity of decision making has not evened out a bit since its inception. Could be improved? Yes, it could. Would I go back to the shit show from before it? No fucking thanks.