Che Dail
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26 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:
That's a great idea and I think it has been stolen from on here HJ and I have definitely spoken about it. It encourages attacking play without changing the structure of the game.
No harm in trying things out.
At international level there was also a proposal to reduce games to 60 minute (but stop the clock when the ball goes out of play) and one which only allows captains to talk to referees to stop all the haranguing that goes on. Both could be trialled at semi-pro games - would be interesting to see how that worked out.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/jun/17/football-rule-makers-reducing-games-60-minutes
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15 minutes ago, superbigal said:
On another note the huge success of the highland league teams last Saturday shows decent non league football with excellent facilities.
Has been a great year for HL clubs - Fraserburgh rewarded with a bumper tie and a great opportunity for Formantine, Cove and Brora to progress further - Junior clubs must be looking at this success and believing they can achieve the same...
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10 hours ago, Che Dail said:
Haha aye - or they could follow Ostersunds in Sweden who merged 4 clubs or Utrecht in Holland a merger of 3 clubs...
I feel bad - ever since the possible Swedish inspired Forfar merger was mooted this thread has gone from vibrant chat to vicious train crash... would be tremendous if the future of this thread gets back to the Future of Junior Football, as originally intended.
Would that be alright with you guys...?
So:
- The pyramid eh, what about it? Big changes next season?
- Youth set up at community clubs doesn't improve attendance at clubs?
- How else do we improve numbers through the gate...?
- Exciting times or a horrible worry?
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31 minutes ago, largo said:
I like the fact that a town the size of Forfar can have 3 clubs all at the bottom of their respective leagues at the same time. Only in Scotland. Why take that away from us?
Haha aye - or they could follow Ostersunds in Sweden who merged 4 clubs or Utrecht in Holland a merger of 3 clubs...
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2 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said:
Brilliant, thanks
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1 minute ago, santheman said:
Wonder where these 700 kids go on a Saturday afternoon. Obviously not to watch their big team although great to see so many kids involved in sport/football.
Possibly they're too busy playing football or hockey or rugby or whatever else is available to them.
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30 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said:
THey are tied up with LK Galaxy. BSC don't have a fanbase. They have no home. I think thats what the guy was trying to get at .
Interesting re LK - although neither club seem to mention the tie up on their respective websites.
Long term BSC do have a fan base to tap into with all the kids and parents at the club, a lot of folk engaged with the club which is helpful when making funding applications.
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1 hour ago, AlanCamelonfan said:
Is this the dream that the SPFL board has when they introduced the Lowland League? I would doubt it.
BSC have 700 kids playing sports, with a semi-professional football team at the top plus ambitious people leading it with the drive to go as far as they can. I'm sure they'll get their home ground sorted out soon enough, seems like a decent enough model to aspire to:
http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/13158300.Broomhill__from_kids__sports_club_to_senior_football_/
Does East Stirlingshire have any youth set up at all?
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49 minutes ago, parsforlife said:
Define local? Should Forfar athletic be playing in an Angus league?(where the disparity between the top teams and bottom sides would be ridiculous) an east league?(which would still involve trips of over 2 hours, and again with a drop in standards) doesn't seem worth it to save a couple of hours journey a season.... by the way you'll find Forfar in the 2nd tier of my proposal here:
http://www.pieandbovril.com/forum/index.php?/topic/244912-the-pyramid-a-proposed-structure/
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20 minutes ago, parsforlife said:
Define local? Should Forfar athletic be playing in an Angus league?(where the disparity between the top teams and bottom sides would be ridiculous) an east league?(which would still involve trips of over 2 hours, and again with a drop in standards) doesn't seem worth it to save a couple of hours journey a season.This only 10 years ago:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/f/forfar_athletic/4920302.stm
Last year Berwick made a loss of over £80k.
Something clearly isn't working.
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32 minutes ago, parsforlife said:
You have used 2 examples of teams 2 hours apart. That's not a long journey ffsWhether it's worth it or not depends on what's at the other end - I could get to Newcastle in 2 hrs for top class English football. Or I could walk to my local ground in 10 minutes. Or go to Montrose or Forfar instead.
There are competing pressures on people's time, and football in this country has to be attractive enough to get people along.
I'm just suggesting that it might be better if the lower level clubs who are not likely to progress beyond their own division were playing at a more 'local' level.
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16 minutes ago, parsforlife said:
Wait these are long distance trips?
You realise you don't have to walk?Yeah I realise that, although I can't imagine many folk would want to sit on a bus for 9 hours in one day for 2hrs of football.
Not likely to take the kids on that voyage.
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13 minutes ago, largo said:
Do you ever go to games Che Dail?
Yes I do.
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6 hours ago, Burnie_man said:
Gogsy, can you drop me a message please, can't seem to send you one. Ta.
...You received a smelly white box in the post and don't know what to do with it?
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25 minutes ago, Bishoptonbankie said:
Id have to disagree on the local aspect. Playing teams from the next village may appeal in certain parochial places but not to the point itd boost crowds further than scrapping the 2 leagues suggested.Berwick to Bonnyrigg: 1hr , Linlithgow 1hr 20
or to Peterhead: 4.5hr twice a season?
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4 minutes ago, Jason King said:
And your source for the evidence to back up those claims is?
None of those points automatically lead to an increase in the quality of the product on the park either.
Denmark?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_in_Denmark
Population equivalent to Scotland, the national side routinely outperforms ours (rank 19 v 29) by reaching international competitions and you generally find their best players in the top European leagues.
Their Women's team is one of the best in the world.
All this points better quality - and you see that off the park in terms of facilities also.
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13 minutes ago, Jason King said:
How would regionalisation improve the quality of what's on offer?
Players would find their level instead of dropping down (eg to Junior grade) to save travelling to Berwick one week , Montrose the next and Peterhead the week after.
Supporters generally are more interested in local games, so attendances would increase.
The top two leagues would have to constantly improve or they face being relegated to the regional set-up.
Clubs in regional leagues have an incentive to constantly improve because they could reach the professional set-up.
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1 hour ago, Jason King said:
Regionalisation of a national league is a step backwards, I cant think of one positive it would have on the playing standards.
Look at league 1 just now: Forfar v Albion Rovers and Stranraer v Arbroath or League 2: Peterhead v Berwick and Edinburgh City v Montrose - 4 times a season.
Just can't see much merit in having those games at all given the travel time, especially if games are called on a weds night. Attendances at these games would back this up.
There should be room for 2 professional national leagues at the top and regional leagues below that. That way the focus on quality is at the elite level and there's a better standard of local league below, with an incentive for promotion uo alongside the big boys.
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22 minutes ago, GLENAFTON93 said:
So could Glenafton.
Not if the SFA decide to shut the door though...
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7 minutes ago, GLENAFTON93 said:
Thats probably correct, but like your own team we could quite easily of went out in the preliminaries or 1st/2nd round.
Aye but they'll have another shot next season, and the year after that...
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20 minutes ago, Che Dail said:
2017/18 Scottish Cup Prize Money:
Prelim 1 = £2k
Prelim 2 = £2k
R1 = £2k
R2 = £4k
R3 = £6k
Gate receipts share v Livi = £2500?
plus other income at the other games, Min £20k?
With Licence, add £10k
TOTAL = £30k
Every season potentially.
...land a tie with Hibs or Hearts and depending on circumstances you could multiply that end figure by 5 or 6...
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24 minutes ago, garrellburn said:
What is the money from SFA for appearing in 3rd round?
2017/18 Scottish Cup Prize Money:
Prelim 1 = £2k
Prelim 2 = £2k
R1 = £2k
R2 = £4k
R3 = £6k
Gate receipts share v Livi = £2500?
plus other income at the other games, Min £20k?
With Licence, add £10k
TOTAL = £30k
Every season potentially.
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2 minutes ago, gogsy said:
Glenafton will have made more money from the game against Livingston than they did winning Scottish Junior cup. Throw in the money earned from the earlier rounds and you can see why its worth doing it every year.
Correct... regardless of how many people turned up to watch.
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25 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said:
Read it how you want to read it.
“We are constantly looking at ways to develop the football club and move forward. This involves considering the pyramid, licensing, and potentially moving leagues
The big words there are considering and potentially
This is a cut & paste from the Bo'ness website:
At Bo’ness United we want to progress and it would be remiss of us not to look at ways to develop the football club and as such we are working towards being ready with our license application. In order to receive your license it is now a stipulation that you must commit to the pyramid.
We have looked at the potential benefits of joining the pyramid and believe that in order to compete in the future this is something we must look to do. The financial benefits of becoming licensed far outweigh the revenues that can be made if we stay within Junior Football as it is at the present time.
The club firmly believe that there should be no ceiling and that all teams should find the level that suits them in congruence with their own abilities, whether that be League Two, the Lowland League or wherever. Irrespective we believe a full pyramid should be in place.
Bo’ness United want to be part of the pyramid, Scottish football is evolving and we truly believe that there will be significant changes. We want to be at the forefront of change whether that be playing in the East of Scotland League, The Lowland league or with the Juniors if they become part of a revised pyramid that encompasses all clubs.
Read it how you want to read it, but it seems fairly evident they want to join the pyramid.
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So on the referee thing - a ref records each team's conduct in terms of abeyance with the captain chat rule, and at intervals in the season the best performing team is awarded a cash prize...?
Maybe if there was less shouty aggression on the pitch and sidelines it would encourage more parents to bring their kids to games... see what I did there!
The LL currently rewards the top 4 clubs for Fair Play at the end of the season, I think it's about £10k split between them.