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  1. 24 minutes ago, foreverarover said:

    On reading some of the earlier post a figure of around £6k is given to lowland league teams just now. I was at the cumbernauld colts game v Talbot and have been to a good few other colts games along with BSC v Colts. This £6k will disappear fast with the lost revenue of visiting fans in the lowland league. Trust me on this one. Talbot brought several hundred more to broadwood than colts get at a home game.

    It's more like £10k just now for licensed clubs, plus the Scottish Cup prize money.

    Don't think Glenafton took many to Almondvale at the weekend - think it was almost a record low attendance for Livi.

    In the East Premier yesterday 1st v 2nd and only 100 there according to the match reporter - poor show.  Musselburgh one of the best supported clubs in the league too. 

  2. Just now, Isabel Goudie said:

    Always good to remind, it's not a ground licence, there are various hoops to jump through to gain a club licence other than the ground itself. 

    Yes of course, its a lot of work to focus on and get through - but again  it's all things you'd want a club to have. 

  3. 1 hour ago, RobM said:

    But that pot would be reduced the more clubs that entered the pyramid though wouldn't it?

    Would it be enough to raise grounds to the required standards for clubs who would perhaps have to mortgage themselves to meet these?

    Yes, but looking at the numbers, there would need to be a massive influx of clubs for it to make much of a difference.  There are currently 88 licensed clubs, each receiving a share of the SFA profit as members.  Assume it is £10k a year each just now.  So if another 88 clubs obtained a licence, that would reduce the payment to £5k each.  Let's say for arguments sake that 12 more clubs obtain a licence next year  - still £8,800 at Christmas.  Go and ask Charlie what he thinks about that!

    On the point about clubs having to take out a mortgage themselves - well why not?  Figures being banded about that £100k is needed to get some clubs up to standard. Over 20 years, that's about £500 a month.  The SFA Payment covers that, and you have a ground which is fit for purpose.  There's a business plan there to show that the debt is serviceable - especially if you go on a run in the Scottish...

     

     

     

  4. 20 minutes ago, RobM said:

    See this is the problem, licencing and ground improvements creates a glass ceiling for clubs that doesn't exist in the Juniors.  Why would clubs push themselves into a set-up which demands substantial financial input when the current set-up doesn't?

    Clubs aren't going to lay their future on the line to meet criteria they have no real desire to meet.

    You don't need a licence to join the EoS set up, but all clubs have the potential to work towards it, and the incentives to do so are plain for everybody to see.  

    For a club like Easthouses, what the previous poster is saying is that they now pretty much meet the licencing criteria other than the need for a small extension  to their covered enclosure provision, and they'd also need to screen the perimeter fence which by comparison to the other requirements is not a significant outlay. 

    What they and other Midlothian clubs are potentially about to face is a gaping hole in their budgets if the Local Authority cuts its Grant awards and support to even the most basic services such as grass cutting, which is a very real possibility due to a massive well publicised shortfall in their own resources. 

    That gap is not going to be filled by gate receipts, other than in brilliant moments such as agreeing to take a Friday night cup game under the lights if a local derby presents itself again.  Still, with half the gate going to Bonnyrigg that night it's probably not life-changing amounts of money we're talking about.

    As a simple exercise take a look at the current Super League and remove your 3 or 4 favourite clubs and figure out how it looks with your club alongside the ones that are left.  There is a risk facing  every club that the SL and Premier will not look anything like the way it does now next season or in the next 3-5 years.

    Scottish Cup entry to Junior clubs is a massive carrot that might not be dangling for much longer if more clubs like Kelty make the transition to the pyramid, as is expected.  

     

  5. 12 minutes ago, RobM said:

    The progress we've made in the last 15-20 years has been huge if you don't want to narrow it down to a shorter time-scale to suit your own argument.

    Excellent crowd at the recent Tranent v Burgh game.

    Fair enough - although you did refer to progress  'within the current structure' which is relatively recent (Super / Premier / South - North)

    My point is that, over the piece,  I reckon Musselburgh would be better off if they switched to EoS and playing local football alongside Bonnyrigg / Penicuik / Newtongrange / Tranent / Haddington / Dunbar / Dalkeith / Arniston / Easthouses. 

    The Junior cup run clearly wasn't a lasting financial success, otherwise they wouldn't find themselves in the East Premier now.  With a club license, I'd expect Musselburgh would be capable of reaching Scottish Cup R2 and R3 fairly regularly. 

    They're stifled in the current set-up.

  6. 23 minutes ago, RobM said:

    I've seen first hand the progress Musselburgh have made within the current structure, crowds are up, we're a better side, we have made progress. 

     Tranent would be a good example here, they appear to be rebuilding just fine in the Junior game.

     

    Going from Junior Cup finalists to barely winning a home league game last season isn't great progress.

    Tranent v Easthouses in the Scottish Junior Cup last weekend - lucky if there were 60-70 paying supporters at that judging by the photos online, and if the visitors left the ground with more than £90 share of the gate after costs I'd be surprised. 

    Tranent are traditionally a well supported club, brought back to life in recent years by good folk and smart investment in the ground and playing squad.  Their Community Club achieved SFA 'Legacy' status in recent years and it does great work locally, all run by volunteers.  Yet despite the incredible success the Juniors had last season winning 2 cups they still struggle to get folk out to watch the team like everyone else.  

    Something's not right...

     

  7. 13 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

    Arniston Rangers are a club that should be getting more than 60 people through the gate, same with Dalkeith who had 50 at our game, Glenrothes should be able to attract more than 100 people. These are either traditional hotbeds of Junior football or come from large towns. The question that needs to be asked is why are people not interested?

     

    Burnie_man nobody even heard of Blackburn before SuBo! 

    Seriously though, it  would make very little difference if you swapped Kirriemuir and Forfar with Duns and Leith Athletic.   Having a Club Licence and Scottish Cup entry would be massive though, and a return to local football at this level would help most clubs. 

    If you have kids playing against the same teams that the adult 1st team is facing week after week it might generate more interest.  

  8. 1 hour ago, Auld Heid said:

    I have always believed we have far to many teams in Scotland at all levels.

    Teams who take more from the game than they contribute.

    Brutal but the benefits of losing teams would hopefully see a better quality at all levels.

     

    Where do you draw the line though...? 

    To use your principle, what if there were only amateur Community Clubs in West Lothian and everybody from the small towns supported Livingston FC as the professional club in the region -  Sell the land for social housing and use the cash to install 3G pitches at the local High School for everyone to use.  The benefit of losing all those 'semi-pro' teams would see better quality and support at the top level which is where it really matters... 

    I wonder if Rangers and Celtic really feel the need for Linlithgow Rose, Bo'ness, Bathgate, Whitburn etc.

    ...That was your idea... :) 

     

     

  9. 1 hour ago, RobM said:

    You have to offer something alluring to the Junior set-up before it becomes worthwhile, that hasn't happened yet. 

    LTHV 2017/18 Scottish Cup Prize Money:

    Prelim 2 v Kelty = £2k

    Prelim 2 v Coldstream = £2k

    R1 v Inverurie = £2k

    R2 v Stirling Albion = £4k

    R3 v St Mirren = £6k

    Gate receipts share v St Mirren = £4k?

    Plus Annual SFA Club Member payment (if successful with Licence application) = £5k

    TOTAL = £25k

    5 games of football and that’s not including TV money (if applicable) and retail takings on the day.  If they get through the St Mirren tie to R4 the prize money is a further £9k and into the pot with  Hearts / Hibs / Rangers / Celtic etc.

    To put this into perspective, the reward for winning the East Region Super League is £1750.  

    Not very good is it?  

    http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/revealed-scottish-cup-winners-pick-10164143

  10. 39 minutes ago, RobM said:

    You have to offer something alluring to the Junior set-up before it becomes worthwhile, that hasn't happened yet.  I'm still watching good, competitive football at Olivebank while this argument goes on.

    Wouldn't you like to see pro clubs playing competitive fixtures at Olivebank?  1200+ St Mirren fans expected at Saughton Enclosure this month... 

  11. 43 minutes ago, Garret Deasy said:

    Just picked up on this thread, so some catching up to do.

    Going back to Burnieman's original questions, I would prefer to talk about the junior game and not pyramids/reorganisation etc etc etc. How can we invent solutions until we have defined the problems?  Will any solution make junior football and its member clubs better and more sustainable?

    Someone said that the junior game hasn't made any changes. It has.

    Changes such as:

    Removal of the retention clause, reorganistion of the east region leagues, using Twitter for live match updates (well before senior teams got round to it), thejuniors.info, persuading local radio to report on junior games starting in Midlothian, now with a junior show on Pulse radio.  All of these achieved at zero cost.

    I am mentioning these as they were all done by volunteers, supporters and in the case of the east reog and the more recent one in the west by a handful of committeed club people.  I think the key point of this is that it did not come from the 'top' of the SJFA, nor the committees. But resistance for many of these changes came from the SJFA hierarchy itself.

    Someone suggested in an earlier post that the SJFA needs a dictator to force through change. I disagree totally. We already have the dictators. The whole essence of the junior game is being democratic and transparent. We can be democratic and progressive but that needs people who put the junior game first. Those on committees have not been elected to promote their own club, nor to protect positions that give them blazers and other fringe benefits.

    And of course the junior game is totally different to senior clubs. Junior clubs are owned by their members (=supporters), run by volunteer committees (some better than others), and most are embedded in their communities in a real sense.  The aims of senior clubs are around money, usually in the hands of a very few, and after all the documented aims of most senior clubs is to be 'more profitable'.

    There is a strong story around junior football and needs to be told. To possible sponsors, local businesses, official bodies right up to the Scottish Government. This is not helped by the SFA who have senior people in place who will refer to the SJFA as a bunch of "effin dinosaurs". And they clearly control the message externally. A recent consulation run by the Scottish Government on supporter participation and ownership of clubs had a number of meetings with the SFA. The junior game was never mentioned by the SFA. And the eventual SFA response was some 75 pages of telling the Government to "f off, we are football". Just in case anyone reading this is in any doubt, scottish football is widely accepted as the worst run of all sports in Scotland. And it shows.

    Change is needed, both in the SFA and SJFA. But let the SFA sort out their own mess I am just interested in the junior game.  Most people in positions of responsibilty in the game would like to turn the clock back about 50 years, or more. But if you don't change while the world around you changes, the only result is failure and oblivion.

    Anyone want to join the party?

     

     

     

     

    Can you point to the investors and money-driven owners of the Lowland League clubs which sets them apart from the way Junior clubs are managed and run and operated?  They're more or less exactly the same, other than Club Licensing.  Spartans are embedded in their community.  Gala Fairydean Rovers is run exclusively by volunteers.  I doubt there will be a dividend for Whitehill shareholders this year, if there are any.

    The Junior game is 11 a-side adult football.  Semi-professional or Semi-amateur whichever way you look at it,  just like Lowland League / EoS.  And the Junior game has had its fair share of 'investors' throwing stupid amounts of cash at football players over the years.

    How  the retention clause thing ever could have been thought of as good for the game of football we'll never know -  it's a farce that clubs have been punished for breaches of this rule and a disgrace that it took until this season to remove it.  

    It's this mystical aura around 'the Juniors' that most folk sitting outside it cannot get their head around - it's local football for goodness sake.  

    If clubs want change they just need to step up to the plate and make it happen.

  12. 12 minutes ago, Burnie_man said:

    The immediate problem is that these Junior clubs are very unlikely to move to a "First Division" of a league that they already view as a very inferior product. If they are ambitious enough to leave the Juniors then the supposition is they want LL football within a reasonably short timescale, not move into a league below a league below the LL.

    Therefore, the most that we could expect to happen is maybe one or two more Junior clubs move to the EoSFL which may then force the hand of the East Region to seek some sort of a link-up en-masse along the lines I suggest.  Even that may be too big a pill for many to swallow as it would likely mean a mass departure from the SJFA (assuming there's no move in the West to create a WoSFL).

     

     

    I know what you mean but I'm not sure that any of the clubs shown in the 1st other than maybe Penicuik would be any worse off than at the present moment...  

    In a league alongside Bonnyrigg, Linlithgow & Bo'ness, lower positioned SL clubs such as  Newtongrange (and Musselburgh?) are not likely to get promoted to the LL ahead of those clubs (or LTHV and maybe Tynecastle) in season 1 anyway based on the past couple of seasons' form.  There's only space for one or two promotion places so most clubs need to plan for 2,3,4,5 years ahead.  

    For all of the Premier and South clubs listed, I'd have thought that it's a more attractive league than they're currently in - particularly in terms of travel time and costs, local fixtures etc.  

    So to a club like Musselburgh (and Haddington?) right now who look as though they'll be promoted next season - would they rather be in a SL potentially without Bonnyrigg, Penicuik, Linlithgow and Bo'ness or in a EoS 1st Div with local rivals and the potential for genuine club development and progression...?  Would they really be looking forward to trips to Forfar / Carnoustie / Jeanfield / Lochee / Broughty / Kennoway and for those clubs visiting in relatively low numbers?  What's the long-term objective for staying?  

    You might be right that only one or two Junior clubs will go next season - but if that's the case, the others will be further down the order when the inevitable change does happen. 

    Better to do it now in numbers.

  13. 7 hours ago, kefc said:

    There’s 13 teams currently in the EOS League, 16 is their preferred number. They were inviting applications only last season highlighting the perks of being part of the pyramid, SFA Licencing and Scottish Cup Entry etc.

    Just to clarify - there is no limit on the number of clubs that can join the EoS League - they're not going to close the door after 3 applicants as soon as the league is made up to 16.  

    It will happen eventually, but realistically not all Junior clubs are going to shift across at the same time, which is why I was suggesting previously that it only needs 9 or 10 (ideally 14) to make 2 leagues.  So for the purpose of illustration if the Midlothian and East Lothian clubs talk and agree to go together, plus Bo'ness and Lithgae (or any other SL / Premier clubs), the EoS set-up might look like this (assuming Kelty get promoted and Hawick are relegated as per the current league positions):

     

    East of Scotland Season 2018/19

    Premier

    1. Hawick Royal Albert (R)

    2. Preston Athletic

    3. Leith Athletic

    4. Heriot Watt University

    5. Lothian Thistle Hutchison Vale

    6. Tynecastle

    7. Peebles Rovers  

    8. Stirling University (EOSFL)

    9. Coldstream

    10. Burntisland Shipyard

    11. Eyemouth United

    12. Bonnyrigg Rose

    13. Linlithgow Rose

    14. Bo'ness

     

    First

    1. Ormiston (R)

    2. Tweedmouth Rangers (R)

    3. Duns (New)

    4. Newtongrange Star

    5. Penicuik Athletic  

    6. Musselburgh Athletic  

    7. Tranent  

    8. Dunbar United  

    9. Haddington Athletic

    10. Dalkeith Thistle

    11. Arniston Rangers

    12. Edinburgh United  

    13. Craigroyston

    14. Easthouses Lily

     

    So for Newtongrange for example, they would probably immediately meet the standards for a licence in terms of their facilities and youth set-up,  would be about £5k better off before a ball is kicked (as SFA members).  They'd save the £3-4k they currently spend on buses in SL, have derbies every other week, plus a crack at the big Scottish Cup EVERY season.  No brainer... 

    You're not going to get all these clubs buying in at the same time... but equally, if the West Lothian clubs get together and 2 or 3 want to go, and the Fife clubs get together and 2 or 3 want to do it, you've have 2 leagues right away, no problem.  Eventually the others will surely follow across.

    Small steps - 2 leagues next season is do-able, and well worthwhile financially in the short term, but most importantly there's a long-term incentive to develop their club and get into the LL.

    If, miraculously, all these clubs do buy in as above, how does that leave the Super League and East Premier for those remaining?  It's a bigger risk sitting still waiting on the Association and doing nothing than being decisive like what Kelty have done and moving over now.

  14. 6 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said:

    A revised Look.

    East of Scotland Premiership

    1.Hawick Royal Albert

    2. Leith Athletic

    3. Preston Athletic

    4. Heriott Watt Uni

    5.Lothian Thistle Hutchison Vale

    6. Stirling Uni (eosfl)

    7. Tynecastle

    8. Bo'ness United

    9. Linlithgow Rose

    10. Penicuik Athletic

    11.Bonnyrigg Rose

    12. Dundonald Bluebell

    13. Broxburn Athletic

    14. Camelon Juniors

    East of Scotland West League

    1. Fauldhouse United

    2. Blackburn United

    3. Bathgate Thistle

    4. Whitburn Juniors

    5. Pumpherston Juniors

    6. West Calder United

    7. Armadale Thistle

    8. Livingston United

    9. Stoneyburn Juniors

    10. Harthill Royal

    11.. Edinburgh United

    12. Craigroyston

    13. Sauchie Juniors

    14. Dunipace Juniors

    East of Scotland Central League

    1. Tayport

    2.St Andrews

    3.Glenrothes

    4.Thornton Hibs

    5. Lochore Welfare

    6.Rosyth

    7.Lochgelly Albert  

    8.Crossgates Primrose  

    9. Oakley United 

    10. Kirkcaldy YM  

    11. Burntisland Shipyard

    12. Hill O'Beath Hawthorn

    13. Kennoway Star Hearts

    14. Newburgh

     

    East Of Scotland South League

    1. Coldstream

    2. Eyemouth

    3. Ormiston

    4. Tweedmouth Rangers

    5. Duns

    6. Musselburgh Athletic

    7. Haddington Athletic

    8. Tranent Juniors

    9. Dalkeith Thistle

    10. Dunbar United

    11. Arniston Rangers

    12. Easthouses

    13.. Newtongrange Star

    14. Peebles Rovers

    I wonder if any West region clubs would be into that rather than SoS route to the Lowland - eg Pollok in the Premiership...?  Only an hour or so for most of those clubs into Glasgow. 

    Eyemouth currently go to Stirling and vice-versa so why not?

    Linlithgow to Pollok is 50 minutes?  Pollok to LTHV in an hour.  Really could be  a fantastic league.

    Endless permutations I suppose but the key thing is establishing the principle that what is set out above is achievable,  everyone keeping an open mind, and of course the EoS Association welcoming the approach and some of it's clubs being amenable to being demoted right away. 

    On the face of it though it seems like an easy sell to the likes of Ormiston and Coldstream when looking at the new clubs they'd be in with and the (slightly) reduced travel distance for league matches.

     

  15. 19 minutes ago, AlanCamelonfan said:

    Right I had a go at trying to work out for if example the EOSFL and Ersjfa merged from next season. Working on that Kelty Hearts won the EOSFL and were promoted to Lowland League and that the former Tayside clubs weren't involved that would leave 40 clubs from Ersjfa and 14 (including a supposed returning Duns) from EOSFL. Worked roughly based on finishing positions. So you could move it about as you like.  16 team Lowland League. with 2 up two down. EOS Premiership winners and a revamped WOSFL/SOSFL merger winners.

     

    East of Scotland Premiership

    1.Hawick Royal Albert

    2. Leith Athletic

    3. Preston Athletic

    4. Heriott Watt Uni

    5.Lothian Thistle Hutchison Vale

    6. Stirling Uni (eosfl)

    7. Tynecastle

    8. Bo'ness United

    9. Linlithgow Rose

    10. Penicuik Athletic

    11.Bonnyrigg Rose

    12. Dundonald Bluebell

    13. Broxburn Athletic

    14. Camelon Juniors

     

    East of Scotland West League

    1. Fauldhouse United

    2. Blackburn United

    3. Bathgate Thistle

    4. Whitburn Juniors

    5. Pumpherston Juniors

    6. West Calder United

    7. Armadale Thistle

    8. Livingston United

    9. Stoneyburn Juniors

    10. Harthill Royal

    11.. Edinburgh United

    12. Craigroyston

     

    East of Scotland Central League

    1. Tayport

    2.St Andrews

    3.Glenrothes

    4.Thornton Hibs

    5. Lochore Welfare

    6.Rosyth

    7.Lochgelly Albert  

    8.Crossgates Primrose  

    9. Oakley United  

    10. Kirkcaldy YM  

    11. Burntisland Shipyard

    12. Hill O'Beath Hawthorn

    13. Kennoway Star Hearts

    14. Sauchie Juniors

     

    East Of Scottland South League

    1. Coldstream

    2. Eyemouth

    3. Ormiston

    4. Tweedmouth Rangers

    5. Duns

    6. Musselburgh Athletic

    7. Haddington Athletic

    8. Tranent Juniors

    9. Dalkeith Thistle

    10. Dunbar United

    11. Arniston Rangers

    12. Easthouses

    13.. Newtongrange Star

    14. Peebles Rovers

    What about Newburgh?? :lol:

    Only kidding - it's really good, basically what it could look like if all the clubs switched over next season. 

    And every single club would be able to work towards a licence and ultimately have access to the Scottish Cup regardless of which division or region they find themselves in. 

    Not sure I'd have Camelon ahead of Newtongrange mind you... 

  16. 37 minutes ago, kefc said:

    This setup needs to be discussed and promoted ASAP for the greater good, a new exciting non league setup  in Scottish football can revitalise so many communities all around the country and possibly egnite a real interest again from the bottom of the game in Scotland which should carry through right to the top. 

    Completely agree - although to my mind the discussion and promotion has to be led by the clubs, rather than by the SJFA which as an organisation is not properly serving the interests of its member clubs.  

  17. 8 hours ago, AlanCamelonfan said:

    Thaqts 38 clubs their is only 14 in your west central league

    Sorry Alan - it's meant to be just a list of clubs from the 3 regions within the East Junior set-up as quoted by the previous poster, and not 3 league tables.

    The purpose is to show that if 10 of these 39 clubs moved to EoS, there would be 2 leagues of 12 when added to the existing clubs.

    My point is that even if only 3 or 4 of the top SL clubs make the switch (worst / best case scenario whichever way you look at it, say any 3 from: Linlithgow, Bo'ness, Bonnyrigg, Penicuik, Newtongrange, Broxburn) then you'd be left with a diminished league - same applies to the Premier. 

    Given the obvious financial and competitive long-term incentives for these clubs to do so (with SFA Licence) this is a real possibility.

  18. 3 hours ago, Burnie_man said:

    For the East of Scotland League, there are currently three vacancies to make the number up to 16, open this up to 3 Junior clubs.  Also, allow any existing members of the EoSFL to instead join the current Junior structure at an appropriate level if they wish to do so (similar to Craigroyston and Easthouses), otherwise it would be two/three, up/down with the existing East Superleague.

    This would provide a relatively pain-free introduction to the Pyramid for Junior clubs, nothing much would change for the vast majority, but those at the top level can progress and go down the road of becoming Licenced. WoSFL, EoSFL and HL clubs enter the Junior Cup as the national non-league competition.

    In 5 years from the start, you’d find the LL with a healthy contingent of former Junior clubs, and the weaker LL, EoSFL, SoSFL clubs would find their own level at some point within the wider (former) Junior structure, but retain their SFA Cup spot, and enjoy entering a national non-league comp.

    Thoughts?

    Trying to solve the puzzle for the whole of the Junior grade is too much of an undertaking in one sitting, so my thoughts are that clubs from each Region should focus on what changes they can influence, and where their knowledge and experience lies.  i.e East clubs aren't going to resolve the West or North region dilemma.

    So as a starting point using Cyclizine's format for the East comprising:  Lothians, Borders, Edinburgh, Fife, you'd have 39 Junior clubs from which to form 2 EoS leagues of 12 (Premier and First?). 

    There are 14 EoS clubs as things stand (including Duns, who are planning to return next year).  So to form 2 divisions, you'd require only 9 more (in addition to your own) to make that format work. 

    That's one season of pretty much local derbies, before 2 go up and 2 down thereafter.  And presumably if that 9 includes 2 or 3 SL clubs, others will follow.  Pick 9 clubs and form a EoS 2nd Division. 

    Another 4 on top of that and there's 2 leagues of 14.

    WEST & CENTRAL: 15

    Linlithgow Rose  

    Broxburn Athletic  

    Camelon Juniors  

    Boness United  

    Sauchie Juniors  

     

    Fauldhouse United  

    Blackburn United  

    Bathgate Thistle  

    Whitburn Juniors

     

    Pumpherston Juniors  

    West Calder United  

    Armadale Thistle  

    Livingston United  

    Stoneyburn Juniors  

     

    MID & EAST: 12

    Penicuik Athletic  

    Bonnyrigg Rose  

    Newtongrange Star  

     

    Musselburgh Athletic  

    Haddington Athletic  

    Tranent Juniors  

    Dalkeith Thistle  

    Dunbar United  

    Arniston Rangers

     

    Edinburgh United  

    Craigroyston

    Easthouses Lily MW

     

    FIFE: 12

    Dundonald Bluebell  

    Hill of Beath Hawthorn  

    Kennoway Star Hearts

     

     

    Tayport

    St Andrews

    Glenrothes

    Thornton Hibs

     

      

    Rosyth

    Lochgelly Albert  

    Crossgates Primrose  

    Oakley United  

    Kirkcaldy YM  

     

    Looking ahead from Blackburn's point of view since that's your club - for the sake of argument - if you take the clubs who have reportedly shown interest in the Pyramid out of the SL, along with Kelty who have already gone, what is the attraction in working towards promotion to the Super League and staying in this grade?

    The Junior Cup? 

     

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