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He's an idiot who wants the stadium close to his house. There's nothing more to it.

Check the wishlist the DST has asked fans for. Hundreds of people asking for steep stands, despite them physically not being able to be any steeper. Others asking for a tram or train. Given also the widespread belief it takes 10 minutes on a bus and at least 50% thinking they will be the ones that get in the warm bar, it should be utterly calamitous once reality dawns.

King's Links available land - 4 hectares Easter Road - 2.8 hectares Ashton Gate - 3.8 hectares What's the next excuse?

The Strategic Development Planning Authority back in February 2017, giving more hope to Pittodrie than they've ever given to Kingsford. You'd think they actually want a city centre stadium but it's never been tried.

Celtic should move 7 miles away to a place with no public transport and 4 hotel/restaurant pubs. Your own 430 capacity stadium bar. Increase your crowds. Give Brendan the budget he needs to compete in Europe.

If we got to the groups, if they were feeling extraordinarily harsh, they could make us move because we don't have the required administrative or VIP space. Very unlikely considering we managed to host a last 32 game against Bayern 10 years ago so there's obviously ways around it. The pitch size is a non issue and clubs all over the place don't have the required size, as long as they have the very minimum which we do. We're the minor celebrities in the qualifying round draws, as they mention every time, having won the Super Cup. We're not going to qualify for the groups with our current level of investment, player and manager so it doesn't really matter.

It's fucking unbelievable, and someone said he'd been talking sense on the subject for years

Getting a bus into town for 40 minute bus out, or driving to a park and ride and getting a shuttle bus to the ground

£40m doesn't seem about right at all. A lot of them cost more than that, in countries where it's cheap as chips, a couple of years ago and on footprints not much larger than the stadium itself. The 2 new super corporate Kingsfordish stands of 17,000 at Ashton Gate cost £45m! "You've made up a capacity" no I've used the actual capacity of the stands in question "made up a cost" again "made up what the crowds would be" yes you corrected me that crowds at Pittodrie are currently larger. My kingsford estimate is based on what crowds drop by at the slightest inconvenience or change at Pittodrie. The laughable lack of choice, the waiting, the time on buses (40 minutes from town is not a short jaunt), parking in a fucking park and ride 2 or 10 miles away will UNDOUBTEDLY lead to many many people not going and anyone who says otherwise is indeed an idiot and probably doesn't go to football anyway.

The club are saying it will cost £40m for a 12.5 hectares development. Car parks. Roads. All the infrastructure. A footbridge. Road and pavement alterations all the way to Kingswells. A 20,000 seater stadium with mass amounts of corporate and community facilities. Giant stadium TVs. Corners. Bars. Cafes. Shops. You don't question that at all, but you repeatedly question £20m for 2 basic stands on their own footprint of 9,000 and nothing else You also don't question £28,000,000 of free money from 'sponsors, grants etc etc' so I'm sure you have no problem with us raising the money for Pittodrie.

"The training ground is part of the development at Kingsford." I didn't say it wasn't. "Where is this £20m cost coming from? It's just a figure you've made up." Give us your estimate of a stand the same as Hearts which just cost £14m and a 1,200 capacity stand. "Bigger crowds? In a smaller stadium? Try again" Seriously biting my tongue here, but if a stadium is 18,000 capacity with 14,000 crowds, and another has a capacity of 20,000 but 11,000 crowds, which one has bigger crowds. "How do you know crowds will be smaller at Kingsford? This is just more shite that you're making up to try and justify a ridiculous idea of spending millions on decreasing the size of the stadium and future income."

Quick reminder that the club's own sums of Kingsford have £28,000,000 coming from 'sponsors, donations, naming rights, grants, debentures etc. etc.' thus apparently only requiring a £7.1m loan which we will just be able to meet the repayment of if we maintain the same average crowds as now. That's with them still going with the £50m cost all in, despite all the new additions and requirements they have conceded.

Your plan is to spend what will eventually be, discounting the sale of Pittodrie and not including the cost of a separate training ground, £35m+ on a full stadium at Kingsford, with all the inconvenience of the location, which will blooter the club's ability to make money. I think £20m on two new stands and bigger crowds at Pittodrie is a better idea. Maybe you're right and having small crowds at Kingsford is a better idea. But we'll be able to have 10,000 empty seats which would be better than an 18k capacity Pittodrie. Clever.

Another Duntyish crack smoker. We're talking about redeveloping the south stand and a very, very small main stand. Not ALL of Pittodrie.

It's almost clear to me that there should be a separate club around that Kingsford area for the out of towners to go to football there. Drive from their homes outside of Aberdeen and indulge in the full modern football theatre experience next to a bypass. That seems exactly what half the support want. The other half should have another team in Aberdeen to be able to go the pub and walk to games at 2:55.

He's used a 3 metre wide grass run off and 5 metre wide track. It only needs 6 metres at the side and 7.5 behind each end for the very top category games. He's also knocked down and rebuilt the Merkland which isn't required or mentioned in any safety certificates. This has taken around 3000 off his estimate alone. He's used the steepest gradient permitted which, as I explained, means it reaches the maximum height quickly and reduces the capacities of the stands. Unsure why a professional architect would suffer such a failure of logic. He has used the minimum widths like Tynecastle. His repasting onto a 10 pixels picture of Pittodrie makes it very hard to work out where he's tried to locate things. It looks like he's moved the front of the south stand back 6 or 7 metres which takes off more thousands. He's used the same access that I would say behind the south stand, although he seems to use Duntyish language to make the most basic things seem complicated. Why his main stand is 2 rows is anyone's guess with the poor quality picture. I'm not sure he understands some things. He's repeatedly referenced the RDS being built where it is to have such a large concourse behind it for evacuations. It was built where it is because that's where behind the goal is... Anyway, you've got right there a 99.99999% accurate map of Pittodrie with an approved and built 7220 capacity stand, with indoor concourses. I asked far more qualified architects about it and they see nothing wrong with it at all. Your turn, what current building regs do you and Dunty see preventing it?

I’ll tell the architects and engineers of some of the biggest buildings in the world that Dunty and some shed designer from donstalk have it spot on, the space there isn’t actually there, and you can’t build on a hill, or whatever your point is.

I can't believe you're really struggling this much. Surely you're trolling? 18,000 now? First post "You couldn't build Hearts main stand where the south is. You would get a 4,000 capacity stand there if you're lucky due to modern building regulations" This isn't up for debate. This is the Hearts stand where the south stand currently is. Don't say the height shite again which I already explained. What modern building regulations does Hearts stand not comply with?

It's the final capacities from the June 2017 safety certificate. Please point me to the correct capacities. I don't know why you're talking about increasing the footprint of the main stand. The capacity would be well reduced and only 6 rows, 4.8 metres deep, would hold 1200. What problem are you seeing here? "you think we can build a 16,000 stadium and just add loads of terracing to it to up the capacity" 18,000 and you could convert some to increase it. What's the problem? "and you plucked a cost for it out of thin air" from the cost of Hearts stand, since that's what it is.

I'm convinced it's either this or someone that really, really can't grasp anything, and read too much second hand expert opinion on Aurora fansites.

I explained it twice, with a fucking drawing of the actual map of Pittodrie and you still don't get it. You're an idiot min.

If Queen of the South were to be promoted (or anyone else who has a terraced section), they would keep that open, they wouldn't need to get "safe standing". Terraces can get a safety certificate no bother as long as there are plenty entrances and exits, plenty of barriers and ways of ensuring that accurate counts can be made to avoid overcrowding. The council licence stuff is a nonsense put out by the people who make and install those rail seats. You're spot on. There are no requirements in any SPFL league now bar following the green guide. Celtic's is 1:1 because they don't have a step between each rail like the ones with higher ratios.

You've nae got a clue min. You can't follow posts at all. Everyone else can. I'm not wasting my time.

The 16,884 is without a main stand. 6220 in the RDS, 7290 in the south (a la Hearts who have used the minimum row and aisle widths), 3374 in the Merkland. https://i.imgur.com/K7pYMv1.jpg

There wouldn't be any need to do anything to the streets or increase the footprint etc to reach the capacities mentioned. A far easier way to increase the capacity for domestic fixtures would be to make part of the new stands terracing/safe standing which I think holds 1.6 x as many people. Then bang, you've got the magic 20,000+ for Old Firm ( Stewartie) fixtures. All a bit like KV Mechelen