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Are you shouting random stuff in large sentences to make things seem problematic and hoping some of it sticks? I've already explained how it's possible. Knocking down the RDS fit are you on about min? Knock down the south and have a capacity of 13,077 for about 6 games. Rebuild it and have a capacity of at least 16,844. The grass is already there for the pitch. The track and stands in the way is the issue. Nothing would need moved or any footprint expanded. Then knock down and rebuild the main stand, corporate based with a couple of rows for 18,000+. Training facility is already nearly paid for. Build the stands with share issue/sponsorship/foundation of Hearts like - about £20m apparently of - Kingsford would be.

Is that a myth? Did they ask off the record because there was never such an application. A new stand was rejected at the King street end 10 years earlier because it went into council airspace like at Tannadice. Seems like the two have become mixed up.

Reduce the height of the step between each row (the angle of the stand) and you have exactly the same space in as short a stand as you want. There is much, much less space (actually very small) behind the stand at Tynecastle than the vast space shown to the sides and behind a new south for us. It's even used for access to other stands and got permission (surprise). You're right.

Aye. I know that's what they're trying to say. I didn't say copy the Hearts stand or the height of it. The capacity is not related to the height or angle of the stand. It's still exactly the same footprint. So it could be the same height as the south currently is, which is still 5 metres smaller than it could be. Your Gorgie Road stand shows how close and tall it needs to be before you're blocking light. There's only a few rows taken out of one end to make up for it. The flats behind our south stand already start 10 metres up a hill too.

No I'm well aware of what he thought he was talking about. He thought the steeper the stand the smaller the footprint. As I showed you can fit a 7290 seat stand on that footprint with the concourse underneath it, which we don't have now. It would be a much reduced capacity if the kiosks and toilets were behind the seating area as they are just now.

They've had rejuvenating experiences with relegation, near liquidation, winning cups, promotion, have grounds in the very heart of where they represent and a local rivalry/crowd cock measuring contest. Our crowds have been big at points under McInnes too, in fact we seem to have no problem selling out important games at all. Hibs average crowds in the years before relegation were 11,000. Hearts were 13,000. What an awful point. Maybe you don't get it. Lots of people enjoy football stadiums that aren't cinemas, in fact a big complaint about Pittodrie is the lack of atmosphere/terracing. You can go any time except the first 13 minutes of half time. Takes 2 minutes to queue for a shit at the turnstile end. What's the problem? I loved the Merkland as a kid. The club could also move the family section if they wanted to. Yet half empty. Strange how many people don't get it, or don't turn up for the fuhcilities

Brain fart or no idea what you're talking about? The only thing that matters is how much space there is. Don't build it as high as Tynecastle, build it the same height as the south now if you want.

Had a go at working out the contested capacity conundrum using the scaled plans of Pittodrie and Hearts new stand. The Dick Donald and Merkland stands are fine and the Champions League level maximum recommended size pitch and track of 120x80m added. 16,884 for those 3 stands and if you got 6 rows of seating in a new stand on the other side that would be over 18,000. Lots of space opened up on the south side and the Merkland corner for fans to queue, mill about or evacuate and the necessary space for vehicles. Must be a much cheaper option too.

It's a great old stadium full of traditions. You can sit or stand where you want and get the experience, view, toilet and pie queue that you choose. It's lacking modern dressing rooms, dugouts and media facilities. We could build a new stand at some point in the last or next 20 years to solve that.

Was going to write a massive spiel but, arsed getting into long arguments with members of the bullshit online world of fantasists pushing the move. Pittodrie is great. It works for Aberdeen and its fans. Nobody in the real world wants to do any of the stuff that going to a game in Westhill would involve. That's about it. Oh, and that 'architect's plan of Pittodrie is incredible. New main 398. New Merkland 1904 (220 less than the Accies away end). Take it he doesn't work for Populous. Milne needs to depart for us to get any truth. St Mirren's 8k stadium £8m. Three sides 6k at Pittodrie £50m. OK M8