Shodwall cat

Nothing wrong with a good debate about football we all have different opinions or it would be pretty boring. Bit different from asking for information regarding our youth players though. I'm sure bainsford can make up his own mind on whether he wants to reply or not.

Cheers. Good to know that. They seem to all be doing pretty well. If they aren't quite ready probs a loan deal at a higher level the next step. Would be great to see homegrown players back in the side in the future.

What a load of pish.

What's the situation with the current apprentices? They will return from their loans this summer but how long does the apprenticeship last for? I presume there is a time when a final decision has to be made regarding signing them for going forward.

He'd have been better from his point of view simply clattering into bavidge and clearing him out with his body. Probably a yellow card at worse. He doesn't come over as that type of player though. If there's a ball to be won he'd rather do that but his decision to play the ball rather than the man unfortunately cost him on this occasion.

Exactly. I don't think for a minute that coll knew he was endangeting his opponent by making that challenge. It was a split second misjudgement which unfortunately cost him dearly.

I would like to think though that Coll had no idea that he was endangering an opponent when he went in for that challenge. He certainly doesn't come across as that sort of player. His disciplinary record this season has been exemplary.

I officiate regularly and follow the laws to the letter doesn't mean I agree with them all. I'd have sent Coll off but I'd have felt incredibly harsh doing it. I mean some of the examples of red cards these days are hard to agree with. A player is running with the ball for instance . Another player tackles him sliding in from the side. The player with the ball in controlling it whilst running forwards foot bounces off the ball and on to the tacklers foot on the deck. Thats given as an example of a red card to be given against the player running with the ball. It's crazy as it's completely unintentional and the player with the ball has no idea that his foot is going to bounce off the ball on to the player on the deck. It's nonsense.

The vast majority of fouls in every match at any level of football are caused by players making the wrong split second decisions during a match. I can nick that ball away, I can get to that ball without getting the man and so on.Doesn't matter what level you are playing at players simply cannot with the pace of the game get every decision they make right. Quite rightly the deliberate leg breaker foul has just about been eradicated from the game but we are still seeing more red cards now than ever before at the very top level of the game. despite your claim that players are far better at making decisions than ever before.I'm all for red cards for the really bad tackles but I also want to try and keep 11 men on the park .

I can only presume that you have never ever played football at any competitive level if you think that. Bavidge didn't have the ball. If he had the ball it would be a completely different scenario he is running towards the ball coll is running towards the ball. Coll kicks the ball cleanly over the head of bavidge and then collides with bavidge. Neither player is expecting to collide with the other one or it would never have happened.

Split seconds again your eyes on the ball you don't have time to think through every scenario. These things happen in the blink of an eye. I'm sure if bavidge had had loads of time to think about it he wouldn't have kept running and instead would've stopped before he got anywhere near Coll.

As I keep saying players in the vast majority of cases don't have time to think twice and football is all about instinct. You appear to think that when playing top level football players are going to be able to stop have a wee think and then way up the decision on whether to make a tackle or not. It just doesn't work that way. The real bad deliberate leg break tackles are obvious because they are the ones that occur when a player actually does have time to think about it. It's a predetermined act not a split second occurrence. The high feet issue was never a major problem in the game though . Very few times did you ever see it happening before and now the only difference is that the very few times it occurs we are red carding and ruining games .

It does. Violent conduct is a 3 game ban but you can't get sent off for violent conduct if you are making a tackle.

Exactly it's easy to see whether a player is deliberately trying to hurt a player or not. Yesterday noone thought it was at all deliberate including the kelty players and bavidge. If you've at all played the game you know when someone is trying to do you or just making an honest attempt to get the ball

As you say that red card yesterday isn't going to prevent that happening again as it's a complete accident so why are we sending people off for it? Again people seem to think that in a game as fast and physical as football players have time to think whole complete situations through before making instinctive decisions. It's impossible.The same thing will happen again in the same situation whether a red card is given or not because it wasn't deliberate. It's like high feet . Used to just be an indirect free kick now people are getting sent off for it. There was never a plethora of high feet occurrences before it suddenly became a red card so why suddenly make it a sending off offence when it's a complete accident. When I played football I got injured due to accidents but I never wanted or asked for the player to be red carded. These things happen it's football. The real bad tackles are never instinctive they are pre planned and intentional and easy to ban from the game. You don't need to send people off for accidents to get rid of leg breaking challenges.

Ok maybe the blind spot analogy ist great but there are plenty of split second situations when accidents happen on the road. People don't get jailed for those accidents Why do we want to send players off the park all the time for complete accidents???? It's nonsense.

He actually timed the tackle perfectly and got the ball clean as a whistle. It was the follow through that was the problem unfortunately.

See this is where I disagree completely.. You are asking players to make decisions you are making having watched the replay a couple of times in what is a split second. Players can't think hang on a minute now if I win the ball there and bavidge straightens up his run a bit theres a chance I might clatter into him and get sent off so wait I better not try and get the ball there. By the time that happens bavidge is away he's scored and it's one each. In the same way bavidge didn't have time to stop and think wait a minute if I change my run slightly and keep going at this pace there's a chance that boy might in clearing the ball give me a dull one so I better stop now and not go any further If you want to get rid of these sort of situations then you would need to make the game completely non contact which would be a terrible shame. It's like when you are driving a car carefully along a road and you make a split second decision to change lane . Someone's in your blind spot and you hit them. You don't get a jail term for that because it's a complete accident .Even if the boy in the other car picks up an injury you still don't end up with 6 months in barlinnie. If however, you are driving at 100 mph in a 40 and crash into someone then there is a fairly good chance that the police will be charging you. Playing football back then used common sense. In a very physical and fast game accidents happen and people are going to get hurt . There doesn't have to be someone to blame all the time though. Players understood that back then got up, shook the other boys hand and got on with it. I'm a qualified referee so I don't blame the ref for sending him off I just don't agree with laws that send players off for complete accidents. Unfortunately the modern day laws have bypassed common sense altogether and what used to be a simple straightforward game is now an over complicated mess. That's just me though I just preferred the days when players weren't waving imaginary cards about and wanting players sent off every 5 mins. Players used to be just get on with it unless someone was deliberately trying to do them . Imagine that had been big craw Coll had collided with . He'd have just got back up and wondered what all the fuss was about.

Yeah unfortunately that's the problem with the modern day game. Rugbys gone the same way. Red cards should be for deliberate serious foul play and not accidental collisions. These things happen and players get injured in a fast physical contact sport unfortunately. Was better when we understood that instead of trying to wrap players up in cotton wool.

Just his miniscus is it not which shouldn't be anything to mean the end of a career even after previous issues.

He's clearly not expecting bavidge to get there as bavidge straightens up slightly towards Coll at the last minute where at first he's heading just past Coll. I felt the pitch was a tad sticky yesterday Arrived right at the start so wasn't sure whether it had been watered much before the game but it didn't seem to be as slick as normal.

It's certainly nothing like a Kung Fu kick .If you pause run it through on the highlights (Yes I'm bored this morning)Coll gets there first and the ball is there to be won which he does cleanly they then basically collide as bavidge changes direction very slightly at the last minute . It's one of those things. Coll does everything to play the ball but he'd probably have actually been better making no attempt to play the ball as he'd more than likely have come off better in a straightforward collision with bavidge . Fact he might even have got the foul funnily enough.

He nips the ball away cleanly then catches bavidge unfortunately. Coll actually gets there first . It's not a brutal challenge for me although it results in a sore one for bavidge. Been different if bavidge had been chesting the ball and he'd taken ball and chest at the same time. When I played that was a free kick both players got up and got on with it as there was zero malice or intent but now a days unfortunately that doesn't matter. It tends to be an age thing I think you find. The more elderly on here see it completely different from the younger fans .

If bisland.had shown a bit more this season I'd have been tempted to bring him on yesterday and move Finn into the middle of the park to give Brad and Dylan some help in the middle of the park.

Being a bit old school I'm not a fan of the way modern football deals with complete accidents on the pitch. These things happen in a fast physical sport and players do get injured but I've always felt red cards being the toughest sanction there is should only be used for deliberate serious foul play and not incidents like yesterday. Treating that yesterday as the same as a person deliberately two footing a boy in a challenge and breaking his legs is a bit ridiculous for me.