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Quelle surprise.
It was only ever going to end up 1 of 2 ways, either evidence of someone shouting something provided and the individual identified, or no evidence and the matter closed off.
Not a lawyer, however: If you don't have actual evidence, and you proclaim someone to be "an ist" and take action against them, then surely that opens you up to libel? Or whatever the current day equivalent is, especially given that "hate speech" is criminalised. Can't really see any club going for that over an alleged shout from the crowd that they can't prove.
Anyhow, for the feels before reals brigade: don't let that stop you from having your tantrum.
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Nice 3 points, Falkirk look like a team on the slide.
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Great result at the weekend, with 2 key positives
- Gallagher looks like he might be on a roll now having gotten off the mark
- Regardless of East Fife being down to 10 men, there was no second half collapse that has been a feature in recent weeks.
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35 minutes ago, The Moonster said:
Your first reaction was "Meh, a lot of hand wringing without knowing what was said" which you then try and cover your arse by saying "obviously racism is unacceptable", then you bring up the fact Rico is shite - nobody else mentioned his ability at this point but you felt it was pertinent...
I'm not really interested in your salty pedantry. Either accept my meaning or don't, no skin off my back.
36 minutes ago, The Moonster said:As for your "I'll only accept hard video evidence" I think that's a bit of a cop out - you know fine well it's unlikely the main camera at any football ground picks up every single shout in a football ground. The fact that you think Rico is lying until that sort of evidence is produced says a hell of a lot.
Either there's evidence or there isn't. Face value isn't good enough to get the pitchforks out. Feel free to suggest a happy medium, but I'm not seeing one.
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8 minutes ago, The Moonster said:
A) Well, precisely, you've got fans of more clubs than your own hoping that Rico responds positively to what's happened, but you continually want to keep casting up that he's shite. It's bizarre that in a week one of your own players has been racially abused that your first instinct was "maybe it didn't happen" and that has turned into "he's shite anyway and should've stayed at Dumbarton". But aye, it's me who's thick.
That's not true at all - My first reaction was to state that racial abuse was unacceptable, however I did addendum that with the topic of venting frustration at poor performances, which is something we almost all do at games, because ultimately it's a related item. People get annoyed, they shout at players, but they need to realise that there's a line around what is appropriate to express.
However I will add that I've not been in favour of signing him or any of the other players we picked up from Dumbarton. Teams finishing 9th isn't where we should be building our squad from.
8 minutes ago, The Moonster said:B) I know that, I'm asking YOU what evidence you would need to see for you to 100% believe Rico Quitongo is telling the truth, as you evidently don't think that right now.
Fair - So I think every game is recorded in some way these days, surely video evidence of the call out being captured audibly would be enough.
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Just now, The Moonster said:
Two simple questions that you can't answer, or more likely don't want to because you'd need to remove your mask.
You are asking idiotic questions that you can easily ascertain by reading
a) the post I replied to where your buddy was looking forward to a good performance our left back
b) literally the post you quoted where i stated that, for the xth time, I wasn't expecting any evidence to be made public therefore it was down to the club to sort out, which has been my position all along.
Exactly how fucking thick are you?
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4 minutes ago, The Moonster said:
Absolutely nobody on this thread has even mentioned his ability, apart from you (continually). Why is his ability important or even relevant when the discussion is about the racial abuse he received?
Are you really that dim that you expect me to copy paste the couple of posts leading to that topic?
6 minutes ago, The Moonster said:What evidence you looking for here?
Why don't you just read and get to grips with the post you quoted rather than bore everyone by paddling round in circles.
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3 minutes ago, The Moonster said:
He's a fucking left back, why you expecting hat-tricks
Good to see you finally admit that he isn't Gareth Bale
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43 minutes ago, 19QOS19 said:
You find it entertaining when folk are disgusted about racial abuse?
I think we would have a very broken society if we operated on mob mentality which is what we have going on here.
As I've said before, a number of times now (which many of you are repeatedly choosing to ignore in your desperation to be the good guy): racial abuse isn't acceptable, and the club should be investigating it thoroughly, but jumping blindly on the bandwagon like some sort of highschooler trying to go along with their pals is really quite sad.
I suppose you could rightly argue that Rico is unlikely to be making things up, and to be honest, I do actually agree that it seems like something that is far more likely to be the reality than not, but I'm not interested in joining any pitchfork brigade without actual evidence (which is unlikely to become public, which is also why I am trusting the club to investigate it and take action accordingly).
I can't help if that's too nuanced for people to understand.
Rico is still a pish left back though and should have stayed at dumbarton, and some random QOS fan doing cartwheels for Rico would be very entertaining.
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33 minutes ago, Roger Thornhill said:
You don't go to games - you don't like the way the club is run, you don't like Ian Murray, you don't like the squad, you don't like the way Rico has called out racism and you don't like how supporters (Airdrie and others) have been appalled and want to support the boy. I could go on but in a nutshell you think the club are shite. So you don't go. You just sit on the sidelines criticising, relishing any opportunity to knock the club from your computer -when Airdrie get beat you're on here lighting fast. When Airdrie win or put on a good performance you are strangely quiet - you have got an MO. But this is an open forum and you're quite entitled to do it. I mean, you pay your money...oh, no you don't , but you are still entitled. You know what I am saying...
But please don't patronise my right to support Rico by clapping, cheering or anything else I care to do. It really is condescending.
Anyway you wont be there on Saturday to witness the fans getting behind the player- you'll be slavering over the internet praying that Airdrie get beat so you can come on here to tell the world how shite they are.
I want to see the club promoted as playing in league 1 is tedious. I've not been in person to games as the household has not been fully vaccinated + 2 weeks until next Sunday. What has there been to commend so far this season except for this weeks single win vs Alloa that has been overshadowed by this nonsense?
Name something, Seriously, I'd like to hear the positives of season 2021/2022 to date.
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51 minutes ago, Jan Vojáček said:
I hope Rico gets a cracking reception on Saturday. I hope Airdrie find the person responsible. I hope Rico has a stormer of a game. And I hope these three factors combine to make you absolutely furious. Although you seem to be pretty effective at working yourself into a lather without much help.
Then you are going to be bitterly disappointed as I would be absolutely thrilled if Rico puts in an exceptional performance, as we need 11 players putting in exceptional performances week in, week out.
Can't wait for his hat trick, and being able to question why he can't perform like that every week.
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2 hours ago, 19QOS19 said:
^^^ Boos players who take the knee.You can do cartwheels for Rico for all I care. Makes it more entertaining for me.
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14 hours ago, airdrieman said:
l but even something like a minute's applause for Rico on Saturday could make for a worthwhile gesture.
I hope you all clap and cheer Rico as hard as you can on saturday. Maybe you will end racism, save the NHS and possibly even revive tinkerbell while you are at it.
I also hope that we sign a more capable left back next season be they black, white, space alien, or anywhere in between. Although that would run contrary to club form given that we had a good one last year and clearly didn't make much of an effort to hold onto them.
Looking forward to finding out what the outcome of the clubs investigations over this incident are, or will it perhaps die off into the ether never to be heard of again, hmmmm...
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6 minutes ago, stuartcraig said:
Just in case I wasn't clear - "identity politics" == made up bullshit used as an ad-hom attack in a desperate attempt to undermine an opposing point of view rather than engaging in a debate in good faith. See also, "woke", "SJW", "snowflake", "Marxist" etc
The only "made up bullshit" is the dribble you posted about being some sort of "allyship" and pretending that you have some sort of special advantage due to being white that you need to convey onto professional footballers who are barely league 1 material. Seems quite patronising.
Out of interest. While we all agree that racism is bad, and setting this Rico situation aside - do you consider say, Marcus Rashford, or or some other top level black footballer to be disadvantaged when they are on 6 figures a week.
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25 minutes ago, stuartcraig said:
"Identity politics" - pretty poor.
Yes I agree, going down the route of identify politics to justify this circle jerk borne from an almost total lack of information is pretty poor, glad we see eye to eye.
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2 minutes ago, stuartcraig said:
Nope, I said I was extending my support on the grounds that he's been subject to racist abuse.
No, you injected identity politics into your rationale
QuoteFrom my perspective, it's called allyship. I have privilege because I'm white in a majority white country - the least I and others like me can do is use that privilege to let Rico know he is supported and that there are plenty of people willing to call out the abuse he received as unacceptable.
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1 minute ago, stuartcraig said:
Are you saying that calling out racism and supporting those who are subject to racist abuse is "preferential treatment"?
Would you be doing it if say (excuse the bizarre examples) a chinese guy racially abused a native american, or a phillipino racially abused a white person, or any other combination? If so then fill your boots. Otherwise it's double standards surely.
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2 minutes ago, Aufc said:
Maybe people heard it but the idiot was surrounded by other fellow idiots and decided it wasn’t worth the risk of trouble. Just because no-one said anything doesn’t mean it wasn’t said. Fucking hell
Ah, so it didn't bother them that much then?
Can't have it both ways. Either it was a huge deal or it isn't.
I don't know as I've no idea what was said, which is also why I'm not going to dance around the totem pole with many of the rest of you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Just now, NorthernDiamond said:
In what world is supporting someone against racism "preferential treatment".
Stuart indicated that he was extending his support on this item specifically due to Rico being black, I was simply countering that position as I don't think that someone being of any particular ethnicity is a good reason to bandwagon up.
QuoteAs for what took them a few days to come out with it, for all we know Quitongo and/or the club either wasn't sure how they wanted to proceed or didn't want to make an announcement immediately before a home game.
Fair enough re: club reaction, however most of my point was in reference to the crowd's lack of reaction.
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28 minutes ago, stuartcraig said:
From my perspective, it's called allyship. I have privilege because I'm white in a majority white country - the least I and others like me can do is use that privilege to let Rico know he is supported and that there are plenty of people willing to call out the abuse he received as unacceptable.
Yeah sorry, but I refuse to provide preferential treatment based on skin colour, gender identity etc. People have equal value regardless of these characteristics.
May have had a word if something particularly abhorrent was said in my hearing range (obviously not possible as was not at the game), but here's the reality for you - clearly no one thought or did much about it when it happened as the club are appealing for witnesses half a week after the event.
So again - not sure why the big song and dance.
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8 minutes ago, stuartcraig said:
You either trust the player by believing him when he said he received racist abuse or you insist that he provide proof before you support him. You make your own choices but I'll go with the former.
I'm going with: The club can sort it out and I don't see why I should worry about it either way (unless it means that Rico's skin colour somehow confers immunity to being told he is crap at playing at left back), however I don't see the point of this wee bit of performance art being exhibited by a few of you over it .
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7 minutes ago, The Moonster said:
There's always got to be at least one who thrashes into these debates with the "hold on, this black man might be lying about being racially abused". Maybe you could have a wee word with Rico's dad in the stand on Saturday, tell him his son shouldn't be so overly fragile when it comes to words. Tit.
I'm not disputing whatever was said, as I have as much information as you on that, absolutely zero.
I'm also not going to get outraged and join a witch hunt on behalf of someone else purely based on their say so.
How about mind your own club's business. Tit.
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11 minutes ago, Aufc said:
See tbh how would you call someone out for playing pish? By shouting abuse? I don’t really think part time footballers get paid enough to get abuse from football fans, even when playing pish.
If you were doing shite at your job would you be happy for your customers to turn up and shout abuse at you from ten yards away? Don’t think you would. I realise that it happens in football but doesn’t make it right.
I actually feel sorry for people that shout racial abuse. They are clearly uneducated and their lives must be so vacant of something that they feel the need to abuse someone for the colour of their skinThis is a false equivalence.
As someone who manages people myself, I have a responsibility to provide honest performance reviews and be critical where necessary (which affects pay rises incidentally). Am I shouting it from a stand? No of course not, it's an entirely different situation, and criticism has it's place as a motivator.
We do get negative feedback via social media (we are a very large and recognisable company), and while that is not my area, as my department is not customer facing it does touch on topics where the company I work for should be working to do better at.
In the 90s at broomfield, during the clubs most successful period in modern history, we gave as much stick to our own players as was given to the opposition, and here in 2021 people appear to be rather overly fragile when it comes to mere words.
As I said, that doesn't make racial abuse acceptable, but I'm not going to jump to conclusions without having all the facts in hand, as feels before reals and tripping over oneself to virtue signal is a losing mindset. The matter is for the club to deal with accordingly.
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The Official Airdrieonians Thread - 2019/20 and beyond
in Scottish Championship General Chatter
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Except for against Falkirk for some reason, Murray's teams (at this club anyway) seem to struggle in important/big games. They always go very flat and deliver an underwhelming performance. Not sure if its an inability to motivate, or players believing too much in their own press, but there is usually a struggle to step up a gear.